Talk:Midlothian (UK Parliament constituency, 1708–1918)

Anglified
Excuse me, but what does "anglified" mean? At the very least, it doesn't mean "anglicized" which means "made to fit with the English language," since "Midlothian" is an English word, too. If we mean "made to sound more like English county names," then sure. But I don't feel like that's self-evident, and I feel like the word "anglified" suggests the English language, rather than England, in the context of a name. Which is confusing. john k 17:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree. It is confusing. Some info about the historical circumstances of the supposed 'anglification' might be helpful. I imagine it occurred at a time when ‘educated Scots’ were very self-conscious about their own use of so-called 'Scotticisms'. Laurel Bush 10:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC).


 * I have changed it to "anglicized", which is the more usual usage. The word "anglicized" includes English-style as well as the English language. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:36, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Requested move: article to Edinburghshire (UK Parliament constituency)

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

no consensus to move the article at this time, per the discussion below. There may be grounds for processing this request, but given the lack of reliable evidence or sustained discussion here, it seems better to wait until sources are found to substantiate one or another of these hypotheses. Dekimasu よ! 01:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC) Seems to me the article should be at Edinburghshire (UK Parliament constituency). Seems boundaries were unchanged 1832 to 1918 and the more official name throughout that period, and before, was Edinburghshire. (By 1918, however, and for some time prior to abolition of the constituency, the county of Edinburgh, as defined and used for purposes other than parliamentary representation, had been replaced by the county of Midlothian.) Laurel Bush 15:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC).

Requested move
Midlothian (UK Parliament constituency) (1708-1918) → Edinburghshire (UK Parliament constituency) — Edinburghshire seems to be the much more official name for the constituency, although the county name does seem to have been changed some time before 1918 —Laurel Bush (talk) 17:14, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

This is a very difficult one to get the naming right on. It was almost certainly called Edinburghshire when it was created in 1708 but by the time of Gladstone's Midlothian campaign in 1880 it had been known by that name for most of the 19C. To add to the problem we have an extant seat called Midlothian (UK Parliament constituency) which by our normal convention we normally include into one article seats with the same and related details.

The key thing about this seat is the 1880 campaign whose information and details I think can only be included into a seat called Midlothian, otherwise we're bending a major piece of political history which is not ours to change. I am aware that Craig lists all the 1832-1885 details as Edinburghshire which suggests that it was called so in 1832, that said Craig is not infallible on these things as we well know from problems elsewhere.

So before we make any changes we really need to know for certain when this seat became known as Midlothian in place of Edinburghshire. If we can tie this date down specifically then I would support the creation of two articles; Edinburghshire from 1708 - 18?? and Midlothian 18?? to present. - Gallo glass  17:44, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I suspect strongly that the administrative county did not become officially Midlothian until after 1885 (date of the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885), and I am pretty certain there was no change to constituency names and boundaries between 1885 and 1918, the latter being the date of the Representation of the People Act 1918. And I note that Linlithgow (rather than West Lothian) and Haddington (rather than East Lothian) seem to have been official constituency name terms as late as 1950. Re the admin county there is unlikely to have been any official name change prior to the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1889. As a postal address, however,Midlothian may have earlier usage which was transferred, unofficially, in reference to admin county and constituency. Laurel Bush (talk) 15:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC).
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.