Talk:Mieszko I

Polish wiki article is FA
Polish Wikipedia article is not only FA, it is pretty well referenced: we should consider translating and FACing at some point.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 03:32, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Cite sources please?
while a scan of this talk page indicates that none of the information in the article is original research - there is no citation or formal references. This would assist greatly in showing WP:V Garrie 22:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC) Polish sources would do? I think most of the works on which we have based this article was not translated into English. Szopen 08:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The origin and meaning of Mieszko name.
There are three major theories about the origin and meaning of Mieszko name. The most popular theory provided by Jan Dlugosz explains that Mieszko is a nickname formed out of the full name Mieczyslaw. Mieczyslaw name is a combination of two elements or lexemes Miecz meaning sword and Slaw meaning famous. Today, this theory is rejected by the majority of polish historians. The name Mieczyslaw was invented by Jan Dlugosz to explain the origin of the name Mieszko. Today, we know that ancient Slavs newer formed their names using either animal names or weapons names. Ancient Slavs names were abstract in nature. The same explanation rules out another theory about the origin of name Mieszko. That is the theory linking the name with polish word mis/misko meaning bear as no animals names were used to form honorable polish names among polish nobility.

The second most popular theory about the origin and sense of Mieszko name can be traced to the very old legend, according to which Mieszko was blind for the first seven years after he was born. This legend was first described by Gall Anonim. Polish word “mzec” can be interpreted as “having his eyes closed” or “be blind”. Yet again, today it is almost certain that a legend used a metaphor. It refers to the old pagan ceremony known as an ancient Slavs rite “postrzyzyny”. During that ceremony hair cutting was performed to every boy at the age of seven. In that symbolic rite a child become a man. That explains that Mieszko was not blind in fact. He was blind only metaphorically. Besides his son’s name was also Mieszko and it is hard to believe that he was also blind. In addition as we know today ancient Slavs used only abstract names among nobilities.

The third and most probable theory links name Mieszko with his other name Dagome as it appeared in a document called Dagome iudex. We know this document only from a copy prepared by anonymous monk who was not familiar with polish language or polish names. It is possible that while coping the document he made a mistake and write down Dagome instead of Dagomer or even Dagomir. Name Dagomir is used to this day and its construction is similar to other polish names like for example: Wlodzimir/Wlodzimierz or Kazimir/Kazimierz. The second part used in those names “Mir” was changed into “Miez” in polish names under the German language influence. It is possible that name Mieszko is a nickname formed from the second part of name Dago-mir as it is common in Poland to form polish nicknames by adding –ko at the end of name. Hence, out of lexeme mir/miez a nickname Miezko/Mieszko was formed. Word mir can be translated as peace. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by William Auden (talk • contribs) 21:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC). Please, let me know if my comments can be used in the article. William Auden The name Mieszko is derived from the surname Mesico, of the Norman prince Dago, from the very highly respected family of the Daglingers, from the Kingdom of Norway. Dago-Mesico was the ambassador of Scandinavian princes, who had come as scouts and traders in the land on the Weichsel and Warthe. The other claims of ancestry all date from rewriting of an 'lost' text 3 centuries later .The Piast dynasty didn't even exist at the time and wasn't mentioned until around 1700. There are no contemporary mentions of a "Polish" people. The whole Piast idea is a fable.


 * Please provide sources for your comments, per WP:V. Thank you, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 15:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I tanslated comments from Wlodzimierz K. Krzyzanowski "Arystokracja rodowa w Polsce", Warszawa, 2007.

"The second part used in those names “Mir” was changed into “Mierz” in Polish names under the German language influence."

I find this theory quite dubious. "rz" represents the mutation of "r" into a hard "zh" sound. Is there any evidence of a similar sound change in Germanic languages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.112.67.131 (talk) 17:30, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "mer" meant "glory" in old European languages. For example, Slavic-German name Włodzimierz/Waldemar/Vladimir means "who have the glory" or "Glorious by his power/posessions". The first morphem ("vladi-" = to have, to possess) now exists in Slavic languages, while the second one in German ("Ehr")--81.195.28.130 (talk) 01:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

sainthood
He baptized Poland, like St.Stephen - Hungary, St.Olaf - Norway, St.Vladimir - Rus, St.Boris - Bulgaria. Is he saint? Why not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.86.230.114 (talk) 12:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * He is not a saint, simply because there is no rule that a ruler who introduces Christianity becames automatically a saint. It is perhaps more popular among Orthodx Christians. Kameal (talk) 14:37, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes. Will all respects to Mieszko, his decision to adopt Christianity was purely a political one, and I doubt his personal virtues were close to sainthood... :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Have there ever been attempts to canonize him?
Have there? 199.117.69.60 (talk) 19:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

What does this mean?
"King of Wends ON Vindakonungr"?Volunteer Marek (talk) 10:22, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Image
How about adding his likeness from the zł. 10 note? Sca (talk) 13:41, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's a free image. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 22:50, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

B-class review
Failed due to insufficient citations. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 22:50, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Unclear what this means
The following sentence appears in this entry

"In addition, allied with the Veleti Bohemia, which at that time possessed Silesia and Lesser Poland regions, constituted a danger for the young state of the Polans."

Does anyone know who was allied with the Veleti Bohemia? Or should the "allied with the" be removed (ie the Veleti are the threat?)? There's no citation unfortunately so I can't check for myself

thanks Jj in sydney (talk) 05:55, 2 December 2012 (UTC)