Talk:Miga, Quatchi, Sumi and Mukmuk

Fair use rationale for Image:Quatchi.jpg
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 * Done. - EronTalk 00:41, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Sumi.jpg
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 * Done. - EronTalk 18:21, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Pedobear
Anyone know if this is legitimate? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7187027/Polish-newspaper-claims-Pedobear-is-2010-Vancouver-Olympic-mascot.html

Could be a spoof, but it looks like they claimed pedobear as a mascot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.145.62 (talk) 01:18, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


 * According to [boingboing http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/06/pedobear-official-ma.html] it is real, that is, it really hit that polish newspaper. Also, a dutch TV guide (Avro bode) displayed the same image, see IIVQ (talk) 21:27, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Reaction to the mascots
I've just removed the following statement:


 * "After the unveiling, many people were displeased with the look of the new mascots because they represented a small population of Vancouver."

This was supported by a single reference to a list of comments on a CBC web page here.

I am not sure that a collection of 706 comments on one web page, which included comments ranging from positive ("These mascots are awesome. They're simple and fun. The kids like them") to negative ("What a disappointment!") to odd ("How about Peter Puck, Rusty the Rooster, and Casey?") supports the statement that "many people were displeased." There was certainly some negative public reaction, but it wasn't uniformly so. The negative reaction can be mentioned, but it should probably be better sourced. A quick review of any media sites comment sections - CBC, Globe and Mail, etc. - suggests that negative comments almost always outweigh the positive ones. People with strong negative opinions and axes to grind post more than others. - EronTalk 22:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Found a source...

 * http://mbarrick.livejournal.com/897958.html

A statement from Michael R. Barrick on his "Pedobear" artwork. Now, how to use this source? -- JSH-alive talk • cont • mail 07:38, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Necessary...
I'm not sure that section 1.1, regarding the image confusion, is completely necessary. I think it would be acceptable to edit it out. Consensus? 67.180.128.108 (talk) 20:57, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

found some sources...

 * This wound include "how the mascots were developed": http://www.vancouver2010.com/olympic-news/n/news/feature-stories/the-adventures-of-quatchi--miga-and-sumi-begin-in-earnest_39288Ne.html
 * And this has something on the "pedobear" inclusion: http://www.torontosun.com/sports/vancouver2010/news/2010/02/10/12823326-qmi.html

By the way, to reflect their sporting hobbies (as on their biographies), I want someone to change the picture of each mascot to: one for Miga, another one for Quatchi and the other one for Sumi.

But there's a "Terms and Conditions" here:

By downloading, copying or using any Image from the Gallery you accept all the terms and conditions of this agreement. You agree that this agreement, including any links referenced herein, is enforceable, much the same as any written negotiated agreement signed by you. In order to use the Images, VANOC may cancel the licence at any time upon giving notice to you; you should agree to immediately cease using the Images. If you do not agree, please click “cancel” to exit the Gallery.

Nothing in these terms and conditions is in any way intended to control the content of news stories or editorials about the 2010 Winter Games.


 * 1) Images appearing in the Gallery may be used by members of the media for press and news program use only.
 * 2) Images may be used for editorial, non-commercial use only. Any unauthorized use of Images to promote any business, product, service or commercial interest of a third party, including but not limited to use of Images in near proximity to any trademarks, symbols, logos, designations or trade dress of such third party, is strictly prohibited. If any of the above restrictions are breached, the licence to use the Images may be immediately terminated by VANOC.
 * 3) Images must be accompanied with the following credit: “© VANOC/COVAN”.
 * 4) Images must be used in the form that appears in the Gallery. Under no circumstance may Images be altered, manipulated, distorted, cropped or otherwise edited.
 * 5) VANOC may withhold the right to use the Images for any reason whatsoever.
 * 6) VANOC may periodically update the terms and conditions at its discretion. Your continued use of the Images constitutes your acceptance of any update to the terms and conditions. It is your responsibility to visit this page and check for any updates to the terms and conditions.

What should I do? -- 221.165.100.21 (talk) 10:04, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Terms and Conditions above says "Images may be used for editorial, non-commercial use only", it "must be accompanied with the following credit: “© VANOC/COVAN”" and don't crop it. I don't know how. Those images needs to be cropped to show "Miga-only" and "Quatchi-only" respectively.

Anyway, I found some nice sources, too:
 * Mascot Mystery – who will design the 2010 Games Mascot? from VANOC
 * Archived page of the contest
 * Designers from around the world seek to create official 2010 Olympic and Paralympic Games mascot(s) from VANOC
 * An article on Leo Obstbaum who oversaw the the look of the games including mascots
 * Some news articles on the launch of the mascots that would include the development of them:
 * Macleans
 * Reuters
 * First post after the launch of the mascots, at Meomi's old LiveJournal blog. (They moved to Facebook in 2010.) It has some explanation in their words.
 * An interview, including brief background of the team and some words on the mascots
 * An interview with Vicki Wong, also a review on the old Meomi website, in the pre-mascot days
 * Scholastic's Parent & Child interview with Vicki Wong. Nothing about the mascots is mentioned, but it has more background of Meomi.
 * An interview with Christopher Lee, art director of Buck where the introductory video was made. Mentions production process of the video "in brief (am I right?)". (You can watch it here (VANOC's official upload) or here (Buck's homepage. QuckTime required.).)
 * Just found. 48 of the 61 Mascot costumes were destroyed after the games

Also, there's an interesting photo. If you zoom into the name tag part of File:VANOC 2010 Mascot.jpg (right), you will find that the tag says "Andrea Wong, Mascot Program Team". She might be a relative of Vicki Wong, but I'm not sure. -- JSH-alive talk • cont • mail 13:12, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Given that the VANOC website has a "non-commercial use only" clause in it, we can only make use of them on a fair-use basis. What's interesting is what the fair-use policy says: "Minimal extent of use. An entire work is not used if a portion will suffice. Low- rather than high-resolution/fidelity/bit rate is used". So WP:FU says crop and reduce, VANOC says no cropping and no manipulation. But I do think we don't need to change what we already have for something new... Tabercil (talk) 18:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Then, I should ask User:Mahahahaneapneap to do so. He did File:Sumi.png (note, it's PNG file). So I believe he can do suggested files above, converting them into PNG, or, he even can do an SVG file! -- JSH-alive talk • cont • mail 05:09, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I can't help. All I did was crop Sumi from one of the images here. Unfortunately, the link no longer works, but you might be able to find them in other places.


 * As for the terms and conditions on the website mentioned above, we are allowed to use their images under fair use, as long as we meet the rules of Wikipedia. Mahahahaneapneap (talk) 11:49, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


 * All you have to do is do someting with those pictures (that an IP user above mentioned): "one for Miga, another one for Quatchi and the other one for Sumi" -- JSH-alive talk • cont • mail 02:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Picture added
7 years later... it seems whatever picture that was added to the article has since been removed. I've now added an illustration of all four mascots to the article. Under the fair use laws of the United States, where Wikipedia servers are located, we are allowed in specific cases to use copyrighted works without the permission of the copyright holder. I believe this also allows us to ignore the Olympic organization's prohibition against cropped images, as I understand that would only apply to usage of the mascots under the license they specify, not to usage of the mascots under fair use. I also believe this satisfies our own non-free content policy, because no free equivalent could be created that would represent official images of the mascots themselves. Mz7 (talk) 01:34, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

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Over-detailed mostly-unsourced table
I have removed this again after @SpinnerLaserzthe2nd restored it. The table is inappropriate for an encyclopedia and contains far more info than what can be found in the one source it cites. JoelleJay (talk) 20:28, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * What can I do instead? Because the Fuwa has a table too. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 20:39, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That table should be removed too. We don't need those details. JoelleJay (talk) 21:07, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe I can change the format to make it less ugly looking. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 21:12, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Prose coverage would be best, and it should come almost entirely from secondary independent sources (not from anything affiliated with the Olympics). The Vancouver Sun article is good, but if that's the only source reporting particular details then our coverage in the article shouldn't be more than that. JoelleJay (talk) 21:15, 17 August 2023 (UTC)