Talk:Miguel Ángel Lotina

Complaint from subject of article
The following is copied from the help desk. Maproom (talk) 20:55, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Miguel Angel Lotina article (in english)
To whom it may concern

I would like to inform you that there are some mistakes and significant omissions on the article about Miguel Angel Lotina (in english). The football manager, as any other, has had good and bad seasons. The article informs about all the bad seasons, but completely ignore many of the good seasons with significant achievement such as promotions to first divisions and qualifications for Europe League. Obviously this fact distortion greatly the career information of the manager and you can imagine what impression of the manager could get anyone reading it. I have tried unsuccessfully to edit the webpage myself, always being modified back by the system after some time. That is the reason I write you with the hope of getting it finally corrected. My comments are as follows. 1)	“Lotina's next years were spent in the second level, with CD Badajoz, Numancia and CA Osasuna, helping the latter return to the top flight in 2000” It is omitted that Lotina also promoted with Numancia to the first division in 1999, getting 2 promotions to first division in a row (Numancia in 1999 and Osasuna in 2000). I consider this a significant achievement to be included in his biography 2)	It is omitted that in 2005 he took RCD Espanyol to the fifth position on the League, being a great achievement again and qualifying the team for the UEFA CUP. 3)	“2006 brought Lotina his first football trophy, as RCD Espanyol won the domestic cup”. The name of the CUP is the King’s Cup, most prestigious trophy in Spain after La Liga. 4)	“In the 2002–03 season Lotina led Celta de Vigo to its first participation in the UEFA Champions League, after the Galicians finished fourth. In the following year, however, he was sacked after 21 rounds, with the club eventually being relegated”. Just before being sacked, Celta beat AC Milan in San Siro in an historic match getting qualified for the round of 16 of the Champions League. In addition, the team was not in a relegation position when he was sacked, important fact omitted in the article 5)	“After poor a start in 2009–10 he more often then not switched to a 5–3–2 formation, going on to finish the year comfortably placed in mid-table[3] but being relegated in the following campaign” This is a mistake. The following campaign(2010-2011) Deportivo was not relegated, but got a successful 7th place. The season after, again Deportivo got a successful 10th place. It was in his fourth season when Deportivo was really relegated. 6)	After his top level debuts with Logroñés in 1996–97, being one of five managers as the club finished in 22nd and last position. It is omitted that the team was not in any of the last 4 relegation position when Lotina was sacked. 7)	"In 2006–07 he returned to his native region after replacing sacked José Mari Bakero at the helm of Real Sociedad,[1] but the Basque were relegated from the first division for the first time in 40 years, after ranking second from bottom".It is omitted that the team was in the last position when Lotina arrived, important fact to assess the final position of the team.

I would really thank you if you could incorporate these amendements

Thank you

Mikel Lotina — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikelgotzon (talk • contribs) 19:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Unhelpful names
In several places in the article I see things like
 * ".. he returned to his native region after replacing sacked José Mari Bakero at the helm of Real Sociedad, but the Basque were relegated from the first division .."

This may be sensible in the Spanish language version, but many English readers will not recognise that "Basque" refers to Real Sociedad. And the wikilink to "Basque Country (autonomous community)" is not at all helpful. I think these epithets should be replaced by the names of the clubs they refer to. I would do it myself, but I know nothing about Spanish football. Maproom (talk) 21:04, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

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