Talk:Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi

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I'd just like to point out that Mike has the coolest name ever. Especially since his first name is contained inside his awesome last name.207.229.185.50 10:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

A Clerihew

 * Said Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi,
 * "When, someday, I die
 * Please let my friends know
 * That I ebbed with the Flow."


 * &mdash; [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 23:29, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, his name sounds awesome in English. Actually, in Hungarian "Mihaly" is for Michael, "szent" means saint, and "Csík" is a region in Transilvania (today's Romania). So Csíkszentmihaly is a village named after Saint Michael in the Csík region, and the final "i" in the name is the Hungarian suffix meaning "from". Like the "de" or "von" in French or German names. Cheers.--Steve balogh 11:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * So, his name could be interpreted as "Michael from Saint Michael in Csik" :-) Peter S. 22:42, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

More biographical information would be nice...201.34.229.244 01:25, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, after all this is a biography page. There is already a page on flow, making all but the first paragraph of this redundant and off-topic.

He's lucky he took up with Psych, because if he had been a pioneer in electrical matters, I could hardly see how anyone would be happy asking for a 40 Csikszentmihaly light bulb. Myles325a (talk) 05:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * True - let's hope nobody ever invents a way to measure happiness - you'd never fit his name on the dial of a happy-o-meter Hugh Mason (talk • contribs 09:59, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Some small irony
"most widely cited psychologists today [citation needed]"

I think that citation should be brought forward. Although the irony is nice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.1.36.14 (talk) 15:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

Yes, it is amusing. I think that sentence should be dropped entirely. I don't know the man or his work but an article as slim as this, putting forward only a single idea, suggests that he hasn't been that influential. 89.243.143.247 12:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

His work has definately been influential, this is evidenced by the fact that the research that took place 30-40 years ago is still being used in contemporary research 60.44.124.73 (talk) 05:54, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think he beat Freud. Now living psyc ... probably.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.127.155.132 (talk) 04:39, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Or Kurt Hahn and Maria Montessori which did the same earlier 91.23.153.131 (talk) 03:01, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Pronunciation
found this pronunciation from the "say how" guide CHIK-sent-mē-hī-ē http://www.loc.gov/nls/other/sayhow.html

It's not in IPA form though...Farsnickle 21:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Added the IPA form 'tʃɪksɛntmihaɪi, I'm not sure how correct it is...(never actually heard his name pronounced) feel free to correct it...this is wp after allFarsnickle 21:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * To say his name it sounds like chih-chent-ma-holly. the 'ch' sound is like cha-ching of a cash register. the accent is on 'chent' and then a lighter accent on 'holly'.  I had him in class and that's how we said it =) 74.240.138.146 (talk) 20:03, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, it is pronunced differently, but I don't know the phonetic alphabet but I'll try to transcribe it in English. (I am native Hungarian, and I made the comment above also about the meaning of the name)... So the correct pronunciation is roughly:
 * me - high  ...  cheek - sent - me - high - ee


 * Although most often it is incorrectly spelled, in the family name, the first "i", should have a long accent above, like "í", which in Hungarian denotes long vowel, that's why it is pronounced cheek and not chick. 82.130.8.34 (talk) 19:27, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Any chance someone can upload an audio file of how his name is pronounced? 85.250.35.191 (talk) 20:35, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * An audio file is an excellent idea. I had my own go at working out how to pronounce the name, which I ran past someone last year who had a similar name, before making my own contribution on 17 Aug 2009. My effort was subsequently corrected, for which I was grateful. I read some of this fellow's works in the early 1990's and the pronounciation of his name always perplexed me. I am one of those people who can never rest with not understanding something. A useful thing in some circumstances, and a handicap in others. At any rate, I have since come across a recording of the pronounciation of Lech Kaczyński's name on his article page. I must say that sort of innovation is a brilliant addition to any article containing names that some of us may struggle to pronounce. I mention here in case there is a way for someone to do the same with Csikszentmihalyi's page. Regards Wotnow (talk) 02:09, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Positive Coaching Alliance
Moved here from the article: Csikszentmihalyi's being on the board of the Positive Coaching Alliance is not a top honor worthy of the introductory paragraph. It belongs in a subordinate section on "other" affiliations. If someone would like to put it back in the article when we have such a section, that would be nice. - Do c  t  orW  18:57, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "He is a member of the national advisory board of Positive Coaching Alliance."

Name
I have moved this article back to its proper name, Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi. This is the name he uses, the name under which all of his books are entered in the Library of Congress card catalog and anywhere else. Gene Nygaard (talk) 01:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I notice that at the moment there is inconsistency in the use of accented characters. In some parts of the article his name is given with the accents and in others it's not (plain ASCII so to speak). Probably good to standardize on one or the other. JB318 (talk) 01:19, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

'Challenge Level' vs. 'Perceived Impact'
'Challenge Level' vs. 'Perceived Importance' or 'Perceived Impact', ... Maybe the term 'Challenge Level' could be replaced with 'Perceived Impact', or something else? I could feel doing something would be challenging, but until I perceive doing this something is going to make an impact, I'm not going to feel any anxiety about it. But should Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi's phrasing be changed? Maybe he defines challenge differently than you, I, or someone else would? How does he define challenge? Changing this phrasing feels like changing the entire article, and theory, and totally coming up with a new theory. Wikipedia doesn't do stuff like that, does it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BryanFRitt (talk • contribs) 19:22, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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Autotelic as Mihalys original term
I am just reading the doctrine of high magic by eliphas Levi and the word is used in the translation from the french in regards to the buffoon tarot card using the word autotelia. Obviously as this work is earlier and as the word comes from the Greek and would be no different in French; does this not attribute the word in regards to the psyche to Levi or his teacher William Postel, whose works I have not looked at? Perhaps Mihaly cites Levi? I don't know. Given the cross over of magic in the late 19th to early 20th century between Theosophy, Steiner, Gurdjieff, Crowley, etc and Freudian psychology, it would be interesting and pertinent to know if Mihaly also gleaned his psychological foundations and terms from these works. 2.27.8.132 (talk) 09:13, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Personal life
What is this portion:

"I speak for the entire University of California, Berkeley family when I say "We'll miss you, Mihaly." IN LOVING MEMORY OF MIHALY CSIKSZENTMIHALYI 1934-2021."

It's cited but also completely clashes with encyclopedic tone. Can we remove it? Tttttarleton (talk) 12:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Google doodle
Does a google doodle have enough importance to be in the intro?

Otherwise I think it might be removed from the bio as it is mentioned in commemerationl. Joeybrund (talk) 14:36, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * a Google doodle is definitely noteworthy enough to keep in the intro.
 * The smart people at Google know enough to recognize his importance in history. The fact that he made it to "Google doodle" status is an important part of his history. Kaderlee (talk) 04:29, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not. It is a passing footnote to the article and belongs approximately as I originally placed it ("Commemoration" section at the end). That's how it always appears in articles, at least in my experience. —DIYeditor (talk) 08:57, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

je cherche un Homme
bonjour 41.245.27.201 (talk) 08:40, 30 September 2023 (UTC)