Talk:Mikao Usui

Needs refs
This needs references and copyediting. I am not sure as to the new material added. michael  Curtis talk+contributions 23:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I have no other information, but the History section in the Reiki article seems much more reliable.

This is an extremely POV article with a lot of original research ("I have a photocopied set of notes"!!!) which oozes scepticism & hostility to anything we know about Usui (the suggestion that the whole thing is based on Joseph Campbell is particularly NPOV and biased). There's nothing wrong with saying we don't know much about Usui & that what we do have is possibly conjecture etc but this article suggests that the whole thing is nothing more than a fiction and a ridiculous one at that. The inference is, therefore, that his teachings and Reiki as a whole is a load of nonsense. I think this article needs clearing up & non POVing. ThePeg 19:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Takata's story of Usui is now largely discredited in detaiils such as Usui having anything to do with Christianity. (This is now believed to have been invented in order to increase the acceptability of Reiki to Westerners.) The most authoratative sounding research I've seen published in English is that of Frank Petter, in his more recent books. He has the advantage of being married to a Japanese woman and having spent much time in Japan. Andy Beer 10:02, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I removed the references to Count Shinpei Gotō, save those that were relevant to Usui. It was not relevant, for example, to include that Count Gotō was the governor of Tokyo, as this was clearly not relevant to Usui's development as a person. If this is incorrect, an explanation of the influence should be recorded, as well as references, etc., so that the portrait is constrained to Usui instead of including bits of information which seem irrelevant. A link to the entry Count Shinpei Gotō should be included, and such details belong on the linked page. Because I don't have the reference with Frank Arjava Petter in it, I cannot include the reference, thus the "reference needed" tag. Red Heron (talk) 19:04, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Need a reference to the memorial inscription translation--a document with the translation in it would be helpful! That's why I added the "citation needed" tag on that particular entry. Red Heron (talk) 19:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Addition of Reiki-wiki.com link to this entry
I've made this suggestion in the Reiki article discussion as well. I'd like to add a link to reiki-wiki.com to the bottom of this entry. Reiki-wiki.com is hosted by my teachers, Bronwen and Frans Stiene, authors of The Reiki Sourcebook and The Japanese Art of Reiki. (I'm also one of the moderators on that wiki.) It's a great resource, with quick access to the research that Bronwen and Frans have shared over the years. I think would be an appropriate addition to this entry as well. trishi (talk) 02:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not in the Reiki article currently, and doesn't belong here. I can't answer for why it wasn't included in the Reiki article (seeing as this original post is two years old), but I know it won't be accepted over there now. It doesn't belong here as it isn't to do with Usui alone. An informative site it may be, but no good here I'm afraid. --  Xxglennxx  ★ talk ★ 23:37, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Current clean up
I'm currently cleaning up this article from top to bottom. I've already done quite a bit - moved paragraphs, added content with references, added sections etc, but there's still a lot to be done. If anyone else would like to help (with a high level of English), then please feel free to do so also :) --  Xxglennxx  ★ talk ★ 23:38, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to say I'm an English geek with 14 years of copyediting and proofing, and I'll do what I can to clean it up, but some of this needs a full rewrite and I don't have all of the sources listed. Red Heron (talk) 18:25, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


 * This article is one of the worst, probably the worst, I've ever come across. It states few ascertainable facts, engages in an NPOV war, contains a reference to a different healing system, and clearly doesn't know its subject.
 * I immediately declare my own partial point of view. I'm a fully qualified Christian seer, recognised as hyperperception after it manifested during a psychological panel test involving half of Harley Street's psychologists: I'd been the visionary in the team which won the 2012 Nobel Peace Prize.
 * Following a report I have a Reiki Master's aura, I found my way to a Healer Santuary's Open Day to check it. In a meditation workshop, completely unknown to any other participant, I first read the room, becoming aware of a general moderate level of power consistent with self-powered individuals, with one exception, a group which sgowed a deficiency. As it was not my intent to intervene at an individual level, I simply offered power to the room and felt it drawn in that area. That was interesting, but purely interoceptive, subjective, so I stayed silent and waited. The meditation ended, and it's leader, who's simply monitored at a light level, asked if there were any questions. A hand shot up from the group, "I've never come out of a meditation tingling before. Is this normal?" I intervened and explained at a superficial level, agreeing with the workshop leader and the tingler to discuss in greater depth later. My explanation was understood. The report was accurate, I'd switched on somebody's gift at a distance.
 * I've subsequently related in a similar way in a Christian Healer Sanctuary. The powers are the same, the difference is that the Christian practice of individual confessional repentance before the Almighty is better at clearing the power channels, the meridians. That practice is NOT Chakra work, but it's far more closely defined meridian technique used in acupuncture. I'll accept that no physiological structures can be identified in this, but then again, given Kyrilian photography detects the said auras, and that electrical induction extends in a similar way between distinct objects, then I consider this is not necessarily physiological at all, but an extension of our nervous system.
 * As I stated, I have a similar cultural background to Usui. From a military family, working in defence dipllmacy, I think - subjectively - that a number of factors came together. Firstly, from the diplomacy, long-distance telepathic empathy. Secondly, from my faith studies (my mother was PA to Gandhi's High Commissioner Krishna Mennon in London during the Indian Independence talks in 1946-7), I respond better to Zen philosophy than most Christian mystics: the common ground is humility. Zen is a Taoist doctrine, and only Buddhist by appropriation. The common ground is Lao Tzu's aphorism, "Blessed are the meek", iterated in the Christian Beatitudes. The mountain animist reference may relate to Taoist roots: as I say, the roomful of practitioners were self-powered rather than Universal-channelling people. In this, I'll refer you to the distinction in 2 Peter 1:20-21, discussing how each operate.
 * My own understanding is that Usui and his circle come from a similar diplomatic backckground, defence diplomacy. That is implicit in his Samurai heritage: mine is UK Special Forces. I've discussed this with Nicholai Vieru, the coach of the only gymnast to wipe the board with perfect marks at Olympic level (his daughter introduced me to Harley Street): all agree there is something conceptual not unlike a crystal conception of perfection, recognised in many creeds. As a Samurai, you may impute practices which were predominantly Shinto, and Taoist. Fundamentally realist, therefore, feet-on-the-ground in spirituality even if head-in-the-air.
 * I would therefore urge you to set all Buddhist claims aside. It's a home of monstruous egotism, shown in the expectation that Reiki practitioners should charge what the market will bear, because they - and only they - have the skill. It's likewise inappropriate to claim Christian appropriation: this too is cultural acquisition. At the same time, individual adherence to the practice, if demonstrated in delivery, is not. It is simply recognition that it is a human trait, not natal, but accessible to those of an ascetic disposition.
 * There must surely be some records (NPOV, not from within the practice) setting a background. Find these, and you may have some foundations to discipline editing. But right now, you'd be better off deleting the page completely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.213.9.109 (talk) 11:02, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Shugendō?
What's the Shugendō connection with Usui-san? Kortoso (talk) 18:19, 13 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I have the same question. I'm going to search around a bit, but my inclination is to remove it . --Ronz (talk) 15:46, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Added in this rewrite. --Ronz (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Removed here as the sole edits of a new editor. Revert? --Ronz (talk) 15:59, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh my this article really needs some work. Not sure how Shugendō fits. In or out I yield to editors who have done some research. In general this article needs some sources that are not in universe and provide some level of clarity. 08:29, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The reference likely comes from the Stiene book titled "The Japanese Art of Reiki". I'm still not a pro at Wikipedia etiquette, but is that reference (or lack of any further supporting evidence) the reason Shugendo was removed? I have three of the arguably most researched books on Reiki sitting right here beside me. Tassit (talk) 03:29, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The reference to Shugendō is not connected to any other statements in the article, it needs to be either removed or some reference found that connects it to Reiki.Chuangzu (talk) 04:41, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

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