Talk:Mike Hall (bassist)

Requested move 5 April 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. There were two major lines of argument in this discussion. The first was whether the current title, Mike Hall (musician), was sufficiently disambiguated from the musicians named Michael Hall. On this question, supporters of the move argued that it is generally reasonable for individuals named Michael to be referred to as Mike, while opponents noted that the two musicians named "Michael Hall" appear to have never been referred to as "Mike" in RS. This question saw a level of back-and-forth disagreement, and only minor gaps in numbers and strength of argument; if the disambiguation question had been the only topic of discussion, I likely would have found no consensus here. However, some supporters of the move also argued that changing the DAB to "bassist" would improve the clarity of the title, regardless of whether it was strictly necessary for disambiguation. This argument was presented by multiple users and not contested, leading me to find an overall consensus in favor of the proposed move. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:16, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Mike Hall (musician) → Mike Hall (bassist) – There's also Michael Hall (American musician) and Michael Hall (English musician). Current title should become a redirect to Mike Hall. UtherSRG (talk) 16:57, 5 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 07:09, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Pop music, WikiProject Biography, WikiProject Guitarists, WikiProject Musicians, and WikiProject Rock music have been notified of this discussion. UtherSRG (talk) 16:58, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The others mentioned above appear to be referred to exclusively as "Michael Hall", so there is no conflict. Dekimasu よ! 21:13, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Anyone named Michael can reasonably be referred to as Mike. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * When both forms are not in use, substituting for one for the other may be considered unreasonable.... Dekimasu よ! 22:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Support. There is an opaqueness to the common form "(musician)", thus the qualifier "(bassist)" provides greater clarity, per John Clayton (bassist), Avishai Cohen (bassist), Gary Crosby (bassist), Dennis Crouch (bassist), Richard Davis (bassist), Ike Isaacs (bassist), Brad Jones (bassist), George Morrow (bassist), Mark Robertson (bassist) or Gene Taylor (bassist), to name but ten. As for the two other men, Michael Hall (American musician) does play the guitar, but is primarily known as a singer-songwriter as well as a journalist, while Michael Hall (English musician), who did play the viola, was primarily known as a conductor, lecturer, broadcaster and musicologist. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:26, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Should we also move Michael Hall (American musician) -> Michael Hall (Texas musician)? * Pppery * it has begun... 17:40, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Michael Hall (English musician) says in the first sentence that he was a violist. Assuming a violist is a kind of bassist (which is oddly not explained in either the articles viola or bassist) then we probably should move to Mike Hall (American bassist). * Pppery * it has begun... 17:43, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * A viola is not a bass instrument. 162 etc. (talk) 13:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Relisting comment: Following the thread on my talk page from a good faith editor, I reopen this discussion till it's due for closing per WP:RMEC Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 07:09, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose, unless you have evidence that the other two musicians are called Mike. We can't make assumptions.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The only assumption this move would make is that people could reasonably think the other musicians are called Mike. Even if they aren't, that's still true. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. For musicians generally known only for playing one instrument we usually use the more specific disambiguator. After all, we wouldn't just use "sportsman" as a disambiguator if there was only one sportsman called Mike Hall; we'd still use "footballer" or "runner" or "cricketer" or whatever. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:48, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * In that case the resulting redirect should still point to this article. Dekimasu よ! 07:08, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.