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Selected bibliography
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The Birthright Universe

 * Birthright: The Book of Man (1982) - vignettes chronicling the rise and fall of mankind in the galaxy. Some 30 novels and 20 shorter works have been set in the future created in this book.
 * The Soul Eater (1981) - a cross between Moby Dick and The Flying Dutchman, and according to Science Fiction Review, "the damndest love story I've ever read."
 * Walpurgis III (1982) - the story of three men, one who is evil, one who does evil, and one who worships evil, on a planet populated by covens and Satanists.
 * Sideshow (1982) - aliens visit the earth, disguised as freaks in a sideshow.
 * The Three-Legged Hootch Dancer (1983) - more adventures of the sideshow as it goes out into the galaxy.
 * The Wild Alien Tamer (1983) - more adventures of the galactic sideshow and carnival.
 * The Best Rootin' Tootin' Shootin' Gunslinger in the Whole Damned Galaxy (1983) - the final adventure of the galactic carnival.
 * Eros Ascending (1984) - a strange love story set aboard the Velvet Comet, an orbiting brothel. First volume of the Tales of the Velvet Comet series.
 * Eros at Zenith (1984) - a murder mystery set aboard the Velvet Comet.
 * Eros Descending (1985) - a religious leader is obsessed by alien prostitutes aboard the Velvet Comet.
 * Eros at Nadir (1986) - a hack writer is commissioned to create a totally false musical about the now-decommissioned Velvet Comet.
 * Santiago (1986) - a mythic story of a legendary outlaw of the future, filled with memorable, larger-than-life frontier characters
 * The Dark Lady (1987) - an alien art dealer investigates a mysterious woman who appears in paintings created thousands of years apart.
 * Ivory: A Legend of Past and Future - the search for a pair of tusks that covers thousands of years and dozens of worlds ISBN 978-1591025467
 * Paradise (1989) - a history of the discovery, settlement, exploitation and eventual fate of a planet and its native race. A science fictional allegory of Kenya.
 * Soothsayer (1991) - the existence of a little girl with the gift of precognition threatens the galaxy
 * Oracle (1992) - the precognative girl, now in her late teens, is the object of a galaxywide hunt.
 * Purgatory (1992) - a history of the discovery, settlement, exploitation and eventual fate of a planet and its native race. A science fictional allegory of Zimbabwe.
 * Prophet (1993) - the precognative girl, now a grown woman, faces her greatest enemy.
 * Inferno (1993) - a history of the discovery, settlement, exploitation and eventual fate of a planet and its native race. A science fictional allegory of Uganda.
 * A Miracle of Rare Design (1994) - a science fictional allegory of the life of Sir Richard Burton.
 * Seven Views of Olduvai Gorge (1995) - alien archaeologists study the extinct race of Man and try to understand him.
 * The Widowmaker (1996) - story of the clone of a famous bounty hunter.
 * The Widowmaker Reborn (1997) - story of the famed bounty hunter's second clone.
 * The Widowmaker Unleashed (1998) - story of the original Widowmaker as an old man.
 * A Hunger in the Soul (1998) - a science fictional allegory of Stanley and Livingstone.
 * The Outpost (2001) - hilarious tall tales find their way into galactic history.
 * The Return of Santiago (2003) - the myth of Santiago is resurrected a century after the death of the original.
 * A Gathering of Widowmakers (2005) - the Widowmaker and his two clones must make peace long enough to face an alien threat. ISBN 978-1592220861
 * Starship: Mutiny (2005) - a maverick second officer eventually chooses mutiny to save innocent lives. ISBN 978-1591023371
 * Starship: Pirate (2006) - an outlaw military ship must make its way as a pirate vessel ISBN 978-1591024903
 * Starship: Mercenary (2007) - further adventures of the good ship Teddy R.
 * Starship: Rebel (2008) - more adventures of the Teddy R.
 * Starship: Flagship (2009) - the last adventure (in this sequence) of the Teddy R.

Other SF

 * The Goddess of Ganymede (1967) - an Edgar Rice Burroughs pastiche.
 * Pursuit on Ganymede (1968) - sequel.
 * Redbeard (1969) - a Robert E. Howard-type barbarian doesn't fare well in the future.
 * Battlestar Galactica #5: Galactica Discovers Earth (1980) - novelization of the teleplay.
 * The Branch (1984) - the true Jewish Messiah shows up in the middle of the 21st Century.
 * Adventures (1985) - tales of Lucifer Jones, a freewheeling, likeable scoundrel. Set in Africa in the early 1920s.
 * Second Contact (1990) - a lawyer for the space service must defend a captain who killed two crew members whom he thinks were aliens.
 * Bully! (1990) - Theodore Roosevelt tries to bring democracy to the Congo in 1910.
 * The Red Tape War (1991) - funny round-robin novel written in collaboration with Jack L. Chalker and George Alec Effinger.
 * Exploits (1992) - tales of Lucifer Jones in Asia in the late 1920s.
 * Lucifer Jones (1992) - paperback combining Exploits and Encounters
 * Encounters (1993) - tales of Lucifer Jones in Europe in the early 1930s.
 * Kirinyaga: A Fable of Utopia (1998) - a future witch doctor tries to preserve traditional African culture in a designed Utopia. The most-honored book in science fiction history, with 67 domestic and foreign awards and nominations.
 * Dragon America: Revolution (2005) - alternate history in which America is populated with dragons rather than mammals.
 * Lady With an Alien (2005) - Young adult novel of a time traveling teenager who visits the Renaissance and forms a friendship with Leonardo da Vinci.
 * Kilimanjaro (2008) - a companion piece to Kirinyaga
 * Hazards (2009) Tales of Lucifer Jones in South America in the mid-1930s.
 * Shaka II (2009) A reincarnation of Shaka Zulu claims an even bigger empire
 * The Gods of Sagittarius (2009) collaboration with Eric Flint

Short Story Collections

 * Unauthorized Autobiographies (1984) - short story collection
 * Through Darkest Resnick with Gun and Camera (1990) - short story collection, all African in location or theme.
 * Stalking the Wild Resnick (1991) - short story collection, all African in location or theme.
 * Pink Elephants and Hairy Toads (1991) - short story collection.
 * The Alien Heart (1991) - short story collection.
 * Will the Last Person to Leave the Planet Please Shut Off the Sun? (1992) - short story collection.
 * A Safari of the Mind (1995) - short story collection.
 * Solo Flights Through Shared Worlds (1996) - short story collection, each story written for a different shared-world anthology.
 * An Alien Land (1998) - short story collection, all African in location or theme.
 * Magic Feathers: The Mike and Nick Show (2000) - short story collection, all co-authored with Nick DiChario.
 * In Space No One Can Hear You Laugh (2000) - short story collection, all humorous.
 * Hunting the Snark and Other Stories (2002) - short story collection.
 * With a Little Help From My Friends (2002) - short story collection. 26 stories, each a collaboration with a different author.
 * New Dreams for Old (2006) - short story collection.
 * The Other Teddy Roosevelts (2008) - all of the author's alternate history Theodore Roosevelt stories collected in one volume.
 * Dreamwish Beasts and Snarks (2009) - 3 novellas, 6 short stories

Fantasy

 * Stalking the Unicorn (1987) - in which a private detective in New York City is led into an alternate, fantastical Manhattan on New Years' Eve.
 * Lara Croft, Tomb Raider: The Amulet of Power (2003) - fantasy novel based on the video games.
 * The World Behind the Door (2007) - Young adult novel about the fantasy world of Salvador Dalí.
 * Stalking the Vampire (2008) A sequel to 1987's Stalking the Unicorn, featuring detective John Justin Mallory, who appeared in 7 novelettes in the interim.
 * Stalking the Dragon (2009) Third in the John Justin Mallory series

Other Works

 * Dog in the Manger (1997) - a contemporary hard-boiled detective novel.
 * Putting It Together (2000) - a book on how to write science fiction.
 * I Have This Nifty Idea (2001) - a book on how to write outlines and synopses for novels, and how to pitch them to editors.
 * Once a Fan (2002) - collection of articles from various fanzines.
 * The Science Fiction Professional (2002) - the first 7 years of his "Ask Bwana" columns, answering questions from hopeful writers.
 * Resnick at Large (2003) - collection of articles from professional magazines.
 * A Club in Montmartre (2006) - young adult novel about Henri Toulouse-Lautrec.
 * Resnick Abroad (2009) - collected travel essays, mostly from Africa.

Anthologies Edited

 * Shaggy B.E.M. Stories (Nolacon Press, 1988)
 * Alternate Presidents (Tor Books, 1992)
 * Alternate Kennedys (Tor Books, 1992)
 * Inside the Funhouse (Avonova, 1992)
 * Aladdin: Master of the Lamp (DAW, 1992) - co-edited with Martin H. Greenberg
 * Whatdunits (DAW, 1992)
 * More Whatdunits (DAW, 1993)
 * Future Earths: Under African Skies (DAW, 1993) - co-edited with Gardner Dozois
 * Alternate Warriors (Tor Books, 1993)
 * By Any Other Fame (DAW, 1993)
 * Dinosaur Fantastic (DAW, 1993) - co-edited with Martin H. Greenberg
 * Christmas Ghosts (DAW, 1993)
 * Under South American Suns (DAW, 1993) - co-edited with Gardner Dozois
 * Deals With the Devil (DAW, 1994) - co-edited with Loren D. Estelman
 * Alternate Outlaws (Tor Books, 1994)
 * Alternate Worldcons (1994)
 * Witch Fantastic (DAW, 1995)
 * Sherlock Holmes in Orbit (DAW, 1996)
 * Again, Alternate Worldcons (WC Books, 1996)
 * Alternate Tyrants (Tor Books, 1997)
 * Girls for the Slime God (Obscura Press, 1997)
 * Alternate Skiffy (Wildside Press, 1997)- co-edited with Patrick Nielsen Hayden
 * Return of the Dinosaurs (DAW, 1997)
 * Women Writing Science Fiction as Men (DAW, 2003)
 * Men Writing Science Fiction as Women (DAW, 2003)
 * Stars: Original Stories Based on the Songs of Janis Ian (DAW, 2003) - co-edited with Janis Ian ISBN 978-0756401771
 * New Voices in Science Fiction (DAW, 2003)
 * I, Alien (DAW, 2005)
 * Down These Dark Spaceways (SFBC, 2005)
 * Worldcon Guest of Honor Speeches (ISFiC Press, 2006), co-edited with Joe Siclari
 * Space Cadets (SciFi, 2006
 * This is My Funniest (BenBella Press, 2006)
 * Nebula Awards Showcase, 2007 (Roc Books, 2007)
 * Alien Crimes (SFBC, 2007)
 * The Dragon Done It (Baen Books, 2008) - co-edited with Eric Flint
 * This is My Funniest 2 (BenBella Press, 2007)
 * History Revisited (BenBella Press, 2008)
 * The Best of Jim Baen's Universe 2 (Baen Books, 2008) - co-edited with Eric Flint
 * When Diplomacy Fails (ISFiC Press, 2008) - co-edited with Eric Flint

Collections Edited

 * The Passage of the Light: The Recursive Fiction of Barry N. Malzberg (1994) - co-edited with Anthony R. Lewis
 * ''Dimensions of Sheckley by Robert Sheckley (2002)

Series Edited
Library of African Adventure (St. Martin's Press)
 * African Nature Notes and Reeminiscences by F. C. Selous (1993)
 * John Boyes, King of the Wa-Kikuyu by John Boyes (1993)
 * Elephant Hunting in East Equatorial Africa by Arthur Neumann (1994)

Resnick Library of African Adventure (Alexander Books)
 * Killers in Africa by Alexander Lake (1995)
 * Hunter's Choice by Alexander Lake (1996)
 * A Blonde in Africa by Laura Resnick (1996)
 * The Company of Adventurers by John Boyes (1997)
 * Jungle Man by Major P. J. Pretorius (2000)
 * John Boyes, King of the Wa-Kikuyu by John Boyes (2000)
 * A Hunter's Wanderings in Africa by F. C. Selous (2001)
 * Elephants and Ivory by John Alfred Jordan (2001)

Resnick Library of Worldwide Adventure (Alexander Books)
 * Tombs, Travel and Trouble by Louis Griswold (1998)
 * Musk, Hashish and Blood by Hector France (2001)
 * Fairy Lands of the South Seas by Nordhoff and Hall (2001)
 * Mystic Isles of the South Seas by Frederick O'Brien (2002)
 * White Shadows on the South Seas by Federick O'Brien (2008)
 * Green Hell by Julian Dugard (2008)

Short Fiction (Stories, Novelettes, Novellas)

 * "The Last Dog"
 * "Blue"
 * "Isaac Intrepid" (9 vignettes, in collaboration with Lou Tabakow)
 * "Beachcomber"
 * "Watching Marcia"
 * "The Fallen Angel"
 * "God and Mr. Slatterman"
 * "Me and My Shadow"
 * "Stalking the Unicorn with Gun and Camera"
 * "Death is an Acquired Trait"
 * "The Toymaker and the General"
 * "Beibermann's Soul"
 * "King of the Blue Planet"
 * "The Crack in the Cosmic Egg"
 * "The Inn of the Hairy Toad"
 * "Kirinyaga"
 * "Inquiry into the Auction of the U.S.A."
 * "His Award-Winning Science Fiction Story"
 * "Slice of Life"
 * "For I Have Touched the Sky"
 * "Neutral Ground"
 * "Costigan's Wager"
 * "Balance"
 * "Bwana"
 * "Was It Good for You, Too?"
 * "Museum Piece"
 * "How I Wrote the New Testament, Brought Forth the Renaissance, and Birdied the 17th Hole at Pebble Beach"
 * "The Manamouki"
 * "Origins"
 * "The Nine Lives of Isaac Intrepid"
 * "Frankie the Spook"
 * "One Perfect Morning, With Jackals"
 * "Bully!"
 * "Posttime in Pink"
 * "Pawns"
 * "Malish"
 * "Over There"
 * "Song of a Dry River"
 * "Winter Solstice"
 * "A Little Night Music"
 * "Monsters of the Midway"
 * "Mrs. Hood Unloads"
 * "The Bull Moose at Bay"
 * "Classifieds"
 * "Revolt of the Sugar Plum Fairies"
 * "Trading Up" (collaboration with Barbara Delaplace)
 * "Final Solution"
 * "Editor Meacham and the Fate Worse Than Death"
 * "The Light That Blinds, The Claws That Catch"
 * "The Lotus and the Spear"
 * "The Pale Thin God"
 * "Lady in Waiting"
 * "The B Team"
 * "Every Man a God" (collaboration with Barry Malzberg)
 * "Excerpt from the Diary of Dr. Morris Finklestein"
 * "The Trials and Tribulations of Myron Blumberg, Dragon"
 * "The Blue-Nosed Reindeer"
 * "Mwalimu in the Squared Circle"
 * "Stop Press"
 * "Ghosts" (collaboration with Barry Malzberg)
 * "Stanley the Eighteen-Percenter"
 * "The Summer of My Discontent"
 * "Super Acorns" (collaboration with Lawrence Schimel)
 * "The Tarnished Diamond"
 * "Birdie" (collaboration with N. DiChario)
 * "Barnaby in Exile"
 * "A Little Knowledge"
 * "Seven Views of Olduvai Gorge"
 * "Alien Radio" (collab. with N. DiChario)
 * "Pleasantly Pink" (collaboration with DiChario)
 * "The Adventure of the Pearly Gates"
 * "Working Stiff" (collaboration with Nicholas DiChario)
 * "The Kemosabee"
 * "My Girl"
 * "The Most Beautiful Girl Alive" (collaboration with N. DiChario)
 * "Metamorphosis"
 * "Squonking" (collaboration with N. DiChario)
 * "Genesis: The Rejected Canon"
 * "The Sweet Sad Love Song of Fred and Wilma" (collaboration with Nicholas DiChario)
 * "How Jerry Phipps Won His Hugo"
 * "The Shiksa" (collaboration with Lawrence Schimel)
 * "disIllusions" (collaboration with Lawrence Schimel)
 * "When the Old Gods Die"
 * "The Land of Nod"
 * "Darker Than You Wrote"
 * "Merdinus" (collaboration with Linda Dunn)
 * "Mrs. Vamberry Takes A Trip"
 * "The Joy of Hats" (collaboration with Nick Dichario)
 * "The Starving Children on Mars" (collaboration with Louise Rowder)
 * "The Roosevelt Dispatches"
 * "Bibi" (collaboration with Susan Shwartz)
 * "Card Shark"
 * "The Gefilte Fish Girl"
 * "My Brother's Keeper" (collaboration with Jack Nimersheim)
 * "Hearts of Stone" (collaboration with Lyn Nichols)
 * "Redchapel"
 * "Of Flame and Air" (collaboration with Josepha Sherman)
 * "Sagittarius Rising" (collaboration with Ann Marston)
 * "The Fighting 35th's Last Stand at the Delores Proud Apple Valley School for the Blind" (collaboration with Nick DiChario)
 * "Fascinatin' Rhythm" (collaboration with DiChario)
 * "The 43 Antarean Dynasties"
 * "STAN" (collaboration with Ron Collins)
 * "Me and Galahad" (collaboration with Adrienne Gormley)
 * "Interview With the Almighty"
 * "A Buzzard Named Rabinowitz"
 * "Hothouse Flowers"
 * "Why Martians are Attracted to Big-Breasted Women"
 * "Hunting the Snark"
 * "Full Circle" (collaboration with Kristine Kathryn Rusch)
 * "Boot Hill" (collaboration with Catherine Asaro)
 * "The Elephants on Neptune"
 * "Even Butterflies Can Sting"
 * "Ocean's Eleven" (collaboration with Tom Gerencer)
 * "Nicobar Lane"
 * "Redchapel"
 * "Flower Children of Mars" (collaboration with M. Shayne Bell)
 * "The Demons of Jupiter's Moons" (collaboration with Mark Stafford)
 * "A Moment of Your Time" (collaboration with Dean Wesley Smith)
 * "The Shackles of Freedom" (collaboration with Tobias S. Buckell)
 * "Old MacDonald Had a Farm"
 * "Like Father, Like Son" (collaboration with B.J. Galler-Smith)
 * "Like Small Feet Following" (collaboration with Robyn Herrington)
 * "The Chinese Sandman"
 * "Approaching Sixty" (collaboration with Barry Malzberg)
 * "Water-Skiing Down the Styx" (collaboration with Janis Ian)
 * "The Amorous Broom"
 * "Here's Looking at You, Kid"
 * "The Burning Spear at Twilight"
 * "Robots Don't Cry"
 * "Unsafe at Any Speed"
 * "Dobchek, Lost in the Funhouse" (collaboration with Kay Kenyon)
 * "Reflections in Black Granite" (collaboration with Michael A. Burstein)
 * "Society's Goy"
 * "Me"
 * "Swimming Upstream in the Wells of the Desert" (collaboration with Susan R. Matthews)
 * "Travels with My Cats"
 * "Game Face" (collaboration with Robert Sheckley)
 * "Keepsakes"
 * "The Boy Who Cried 'Dragon!"
 * "A Princess of Earth"
 * "A Muse With Burning Eyes" (collaboration with B. D. Faw)
 * "El Presidente"
 * "Cobbling Together a Solution"
 * "Guardian Angel"
 * "The One That Got Away"
 * "Before the Beginning" (collaboration with Harry Turtledove)
 * "The Island of Annoyed Souls"
 * "Nowhere in Particular"
 * "Down Memory Lane"
 * "The God Biz"
 * "The Hermit of the Skies" (colleboration with Paul Crilley)
 * "Prevenge" (collaboration with Kevin J. Anderson)
 * "Two Hunters in Manhattan"
 * "Catastrophe Baker and the Cole Equations"
 * "Harry, Larry, Barry & Frankie"
 * "Occupational Hazard"
 * "Great Unreported Breakthroughs #163"
 * "A Small Skirmish in the Culture War" (collaboration with James Patrick Kelly)
 * "Solomon’s Choice" (collaboration with Nancy Kress)
 * "Distant Replay"
 * "Jellyfish" (collaboration with David Gerrold)
 * "All the Things You Are"
 * "The Big Guy"
 * "Visitors' Night at Joey Chicago's"
 * "Chartreuse Mansions"
 * "A Locked-Planet Mystery"
 * "The Long and Short of It"
 * "Shell Game"
 * "Honorable Enemies"
 * "Monuments in Flesh and Stone"
 * "The Lost Continent of Moo"
 * "Alastair Baffle's Emporium of Wonders"
 * "Carnival Knowledge"
 * "The Hex is In"
 * "The Last Actor" (collaboration with Linda Donahue)
 * "Sluggo"
 * "Christmas Eve at Harvey Wallbanger's"
 * "A Better Mousetrap"
 * "Merry Bunta!"
 * "A Very Special Girl"
 * "Conspiracies: A Condensed 937-Page Novel" (collaboration with Eric Flint)
 * "A Jaguar Never Changes Its Stripes"
 * "A Most Unusual Greyhound"
 * "Not Quite Alone in the Dream Quarter" (collaboration with Pat Cadigan)
 * "Snatch as Snatch Can"
 * "Connoisseurs"
 * "Kilimanjaro: A Fable of Utopia"
 * "Best in Show"
 * "Spring Training"
 * "Inescapable"
 * "Article of Faith"
 * "A Four-Sided Triangle"
 * "The Forgotten Kingdom"
 * "Mother Scorpion's House of Fallen Flowers"
 * "Idle Roomer" (collaboration with Lezli Robyn)
 * "Catastrophe Baker and a Canticle for Leibowitz"
 * "Soulmates" (collaboration with Lezli Robyn)
 * "A Very Formal Affair"
 * "The Paternal Flame"
 * "Shame" (collaboration with Lezli Robyn)
 * "If the Frame Fits..."
 * "Benchwarmer" (collaboration with Lezli Robyn)
 * "Shaka II"

Forthcoming Works
I think I've posted this on another page or two but I'm not a real wikipedian and don't know how to bring it up as a general issue. I've just finished revising/correcting the Novels/Collections listings and part of that involved deleting several forthcoming works. To be encyclopedic, the articles should report facts. A forthcoming work is not a fact (except for its forthcomingness). Titles and release dates are subject to change, some books are jettisoned altogether and, frankly, it's just not very useful information even if it turns out to eventually be factual. If there's already a wiki-wide policy to include such things, then I don't agree with it, but okay (but then, at the very least, they should be marked "Title (forthcoming)"). But, if there's not, it seems to me to be a good wiki-wide policy to explicitly disallow such things. -98.69.189.127 (talk) 20:56, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You are correct that in general we report "actual-ness" and not "forthcoming-ness". You can see more here: WP:CRYSTAL, and slightly tangential to your question, but the same sentiment applies WP:NFF. -- The Red Pen of Doom  21:30, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for pointing me to where the general guidelines on this are specified. Good to know. -98.69.189.127 (talk) 22:22, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Dispute about content regarding Resnick's involvement in the SFWA sexism controversy
, an IP address only used to edit content related to Mike Resnick, has lately been systematically removing the mention of how Mike Resnick was involved in a controversy about sexism in the SFWA. I'm asking for third opinions about whether this content should be included. I'm of the view that it should, because it is reliably sourced and relevant to Resnick's work as a writer.  Sandstein  06:09, 1 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm a regular volunteer at the Third Opinion project. I've removed your request there because 3O says, "Before making a request here, be sure that the issue has been thoroughly discussed on the article talk page. 3O is only for assistance in resolving disagreements that have come to a standstill." Having said that, however, I'd like to take off my 3O hat and say as "just another editor" that it doesn't appear to me that the source, io9.com, in the diff you've listed above is reliable. It appears to be a self-published source where anyone can post an article and which has no significant editorial board. It especially seems SPSish in this case since the article in question was written by its Managing Editor. Since the BLP policy calls for high-quality sources, io9.com seems a little weak to me for this purpose even if it manages to slip over the line into the RS category. I'd ordinarily be inclined to remove the text immediately under WP:BLPREMOVE, but I know that you're a responsible editor and that I can depend on you to either remove it yourself, take the question to WP:RSN or WP:BLP/N for resolution, or demonstrate here that io9.com is a high-quality RS. Regards, TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 15:00, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. I don't share your view, since io9 is, as a publication of Gawker Media, part of a professional media organization, indexed by Google News; and Charlie Anders is a professional writer. But... whatever.  Sandstein   19:49, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Gawker is listed at Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources as not reliable, the other source wasn't actually a source (just a link to the article in question), and I'm concerned about this being defamatory as the subject is recently deceased. I've removed it for now, but we can discuss if there's disagreement. --valereee (talk) 15:02, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

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