Talk:Mike Rinder

2 or 4 children?
Infobox says he has 2 children, and lives with them and his wife. But his new book (September 2022) was written to two children who are still in Scientology? So does he have 4 biological children? It's none of my business obviously, I was just confused by this. Mercster (talk) 15:58, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks like that has been fixed. Softlavender (talk) 06:51, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

No need for Australian English tag
Rinder not only left Australia as a teenager, but has been living and working in the USA for over 50 years. Almost all citations are from the USA. I have removed the tag Template:Use Australian English because it is simply a nod to Rinder's origins, not his life nor the media coverage. Grorp (talk) 05:56, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


 * It wasn't by accident that I removed the tag, and no 'repair' was needed. Out of the 42 citations in this article, only 3 are of non-USA origin, and those three are British (Guardian, BBC Panorama, The Sunday Times). There is not one single Australian citation in the article. Grorp (talk) 02:32, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed; for that reason, I've changed the date format as well. Softlavender (talk) 04:06, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Founder or not (The Aftermath Foundation)
I hope to lay this to rest once and for all. I see there are some trying to continue the drama over who is considered a founder of The Aftermath Foundation. As best I can tell from sources and online searches, it was incorporated in Texas on December 21, 2017; signature by Luis Garcia, dated January 17, 2018. GuideStar reports the ruling year as 2018 (the year the IRS granted tax exempt status). Rinder's blog post dated March 5, 2018 includes "Today, we launch The Aftermath Foundation..." Rinder's book page 290 says: "Two years ago, Christie and I formed a nonprofit organization with Luis Garcia, Aaron Smith-Levin, Marc and Claire Headley, and lawyer Ray Jeffrey. The Aftermath Foundation..."

Whatever might have been said by Smith-Levin on his YouTube channel when he was separated from The Aftermath Foundation in late 2023, is not a reliable source. (Yes, I watched the videos.) It also contradicts what we have in writing, published at or near the time that events unfolded. I don't have access to the Texas Secretary of State online business search to see if there is further information in the establishing documents. But know also that "founder" is a term which may be given to a person who was part of the early establishment of something, not necessarily the person who might have "had the original idea". If Rinder was there to announce "the launch", whether or not he was there when the corporate documents were created, he would ordinarily be considered a co-founder. See also Organizational founder. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 03:49, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * It has been clearly stated the Aftermath Foundation was co-founded by Luis Garcia and Aaron Smith-Levin. This is explicitly stated on the Aftermath Foundation website.  There were two co-founders.  The other people were/are board members only.  Otherwise, the Aftermath Foundation would have also listed the other six participants as co-founders. DLG57 (talk) 23:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)


 * You are referring to the bottom of this Aftermath Foundation page. Just because no other persons are mentioned as co-founders, doesn't mean there are/were only two. Nonprofits normally have more than two. A simple web search shows that the IRS requires a minimum of three board members to establish a 501(c)3 nonprofit charity, which the Aftermath Foundation is. Therefore, you cannot assume that the two-mentioned co-founders on the AF website are the only two. In fact, the Wayback Machine version of that webpage from the month prior to Aaron Smith-Levin's separation shows only Luis Garcia as "co-founder", and no others mentioned as co-founder including Aaron Smith-Levin who is mentioned on that page as [active] Vice-President. This alone should show you that a mention under "past board members" as "co-founder" is not exclusive to the entire group of current and past board members, but only to the group of "past board members". Also, the president of the Aftermath Foundation read aloud on YouTube their open letter of November 22, 2023. In it, the organization states there were seven (7) founding members, and lists them. Mike Rinder is one of them. So unless you can come up with sufficient reliable sources (per Wikipedia standards) that can reliably contradict what the Aftermath Foundation itself is saying, then we must use "co-founded" rather than "joined" in the content of the Mike Rinder page. If you prefer "founding member", we can use that, too. But I would say that the archived version of the AF board page is the incontrovertible evidence that "co-founder" is not one of only two people (LG & ASL).   ▶ I am Grorp ◀  01:08, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Page protection requested
Since the cult following of Aaron Smith-Levin continue to vandalise this page, I have requested page protection. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 17:43, 19 March 2024 (UTC)