Talk:Mikhail Gutseriev

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This is a very rough and very literal translation of the Russian page on Gutseriev. There's a picture on the Russian page, and some English external links would be good, too.

Good luck!  Madler  15:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

!!URGENT!! THIS PAGE NEEDS MORE WORK!! Could we possibly have more details about Mikhail. Maybe details as to if he was married? Could we also havea link to the HoaxSlayer website, relating to the "Money Scam" that is going around? I have recently been sent this scam email froma "woman" calling herself Oksana Gutseriyev...apparently his wife, however, there have been other "women" claiming to be his wife. Obviously these are all te same person attempting to scam everyone...and i think it needs to be pointed out. I believe the scam is reported on Hoax Slayer. Daryl, UK. (www.youtube.com/Diablo666Daemon666) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.140.251 (talk) 17:23, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

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One billion wedding party ? Really wikipedia ? That's the best you can do ? 95.85.130.203 (talk) 10:08, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

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The current version of the article about Mikhail Gutseriev contains phrases that distort reality. These phrases have links to trustworthy sources (New York Times and Reuters, for example), but the meaning of the contents of these articles is somehow conveyed incorrectly (perhaps due to low immersion in the Russian context).

In particular, referring to the New York Times article “Mikhail Gutseriev, the owner of Russneft, accuses Putin of forcing a sale”, published in July 2007, and to the Reuters article “Russian tycoon Gutseriyev reclaims all of oil firm Russneft”, published in 2013, the Wikipedia editor writes the following phrase: “A former oil bureaucrat, Gutseriev made his fortune after the collapse of the Soviet Union when he obtained former state assets at knockdown prices amid privatization”. The statement "former oil bureaucrat" in the New York Times article apparently refers to the period when Gutseriev headed the state oil company Slavneft, but one must understand that he was a hired manager, not an official, this was not a civil service. Inaccurate wording, permissible within the framework of an article in the media, cannot be used within the framework of a biographical article on Wikipedia about a person who has never actually been an “oil bureaucrat”. Prior to Slavneft, Gutseriev was not involved in the oil business management at all; in his first interview after the appointment with the independent newspaper Kommersant, the journalist begins the conversation with the question of Gutseriev's lack of industry experience. Therefore, I doubt the objectivity of the words "former oil bureaucrat" in this context. I’ve tried to correct the sentence, but the corrections have been revoked.

The idea that Gutseriev acquired former state assets at ‘knockdown’ prices during privatization is also non-obvious. The privatization in the context of Russia is perceived as a period of Russian Oligarchs’ initial capital formation through the acquisition of state property at auctions in the early to mid-1990s (see relevant Wikipedia articles, for example ). Gutseriev did not participate in these auctions. In reality, after leaving Slavneft, which indeed managed state-owned assets in the oil industry, he acquired several small companies that were part of its structure. But that happened shortly after Slavneft became the private property of the TNK-BP-Sibneft consortium of investors. So Gutseriev, after the creation of his own company RussNeft, bought the assets of SlavNeft from its new private owners - we cannot talk about privatization in its regular context. Actually one of the sources of current wording, is misinterpreted - while Reuters writes that "he (Gutseriev) bought parts of Slavneft soon after its privatization, the editor changes the word to amid. Here is how Bloomberg covers the story: "With fresh knowledge of the oil industry, Gutseriev created his own producer, Russneft, and started shopping for assets with about $300 million from a partner, Glencore Plc, the Swiss trader he’d worked with at Slavneft. Output soared from about 2 million tons in 2003 to almost 15 million tons in 2006 as he snapped up dozens of small, mismanaged producers"

Again, the prices of transactions are usually determined by the selling party, and not by the buyer. Thus the word "knockdown" in the price context clearly gives off a negative characteristic and cannot be used for objective reference in accordance to the Wikipedia principles.

I believe the introductory part of a Wikipedia article should not immediately set the reader's perception in a certain way despite the political beliefs of the editors. This does not seem fair to the person about whom the article is written. If some events in the life of the subject of the article cause strong emotions in part of the editorial community, I would offer to clear the introductory part of any assessments and state it as dryly as possible. From the following detailed descriptions of the events in Gutseriev's life, the reader himself can draw the necessary conclusions.

My version of the introduction:

Mikail (Mikhail) Safarbekovich Gutseriev (born March 9, 1958 in Akmolinsk, Kazakh SSR, Soviet Union) is a Russian billionaire businessman and poet.

Twice Member of the State Duma of the Russian Federation (1995, 1999 years of election).

CEO of the state oil company "Slavneft" (2000 - 2002). Founder of NK "RussNeft" and a number of other companies in Russia, the CIS countries and Europe.

In 2021, he was sanctioned by the European Union and the United Kingdom for long-standing ties with Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko .--Yegorga (talk) 20:58, 30 March 2022 (UTC)