Talk:Mikhail Kutuzov

Dates
According to German Wikipedia he died on April 28 1813


 * The original version of the English article cites the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica, but most websites agree with April 28 - including the online Concise EB at this time. One online copy of the 1911 EB has "2$th March"  - could be a scanning error or an embedded copy identifier). The confusion could be due in part to the Russian calendar moving from the Julian to Gregorian after the 1911 EB in 1918, however according to Russian Revolution, the calendar was only 12 days behind in the 19th century, giving 9 April. One internet biography claims 16 April . Could someone check against Russian sources? I'll also ask at the Reference Desk. --Zigger 18:03, 2004 Apr 28 (UTC)


 * In vgd.ru he has a listing at: and the dates are 5 (16) September 1745 – 16 (28) April 1813.


 * Another Russian source is here, confirms Julian calendar dates 5 September 1745 and 16 April 1813.


 * Another Russian source here, confirms 16 Sep 1745 to 28 Apr 1813.


 * Note his name is "Illarionovich" with two L's rather than one L.


 * Kutuzov could not have been Governor General of Finland by 1791, as the article claims, as Finland was transfered from Sweden to Russia only in 1809. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.234.251.230 (talk) 06:50, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Note on name moved from article
"His family now changed there name ot Kutuzoff and the family now thats alive is Alex Kutuzoff Helene Kutuzoff Gianna Araujo(helenes daughter) and other family members in austria"

Moved by Rich Farmbrough, 10:52 25 September 2006 (GMT).

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008
Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 11:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Move proposal
Russian patronymics are not widely used in the anglosphere, so they shouldn't generally appear as part of a title. We don't refer to "Alexander Sergeyevich Pushkin" or "Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin" or "Sergey Vasilievich Rachmaninoff", for example. There are a few exceptions, such as Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky. But Kutuzov is known as "Prince Kutuzov", "General Kutuzov", "Mikhail Kutuzov", etc. The patronymic is covered in the article proper, but doesn't need to be part of the title of the article. -- JackofOz (talk) 07:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. Ucucha 02:48, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Mikhail Illarionovich Kutuzov → Mikhail Kutuzov — See above. Jack of Oz   ... speak! ...   00:18, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Makes perfect sense. Support.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 1, 2010; 15:29 (UTC)
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TITLE
The Russian title knyaz is usually translated prince in English. Kutuzov was made Prince of Smolensk. The title duke is rendered герцог—gertsog—into Russian, from the German Herzog.

Perversely, a prince of the Russian imperial house, called velikiy knyaz—big prince—in Russian, is always translated grand duke in English.

War against Napoleon
Both modern historians and his fellow officers judged Kutusow as incompetent, he was defeated at Borodino, did nothing to defend Moskow and the attacks on the retreating grande armee were ordered by his generals, without his knowledge or even in explicit disobedience. (see Adam Zamoyski, "1812: Napoleon’s fatal march on Moscow" Harper Collins, London 2004)2003:7A:8E12:C514:3021:ACAC:7A99:360E (talk) 22:13, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Kutuzov did not face Napoleon at the battle of Maloyaroslavets but Eugene de Beauharnais. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itihasi (talk • contribs) 23:08, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

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Minard's map and corresponding paragraph totally ruin the narrative of this article
I don't know who put Minard's map in this article. But that map, and the descriptive paragraph above it, totally ruin the coherence of this article's narrative. This article is supposed to be a biography of Kutuzov. Minard's map is not really not relative to any description of Kutuzov's life. The paragraph accompanying the map, which focuses on ratios of troops, is obviously superfluous to the topic and, worse yet, is virtually incomprehensible. Whoever is the caretaker of this article: maybe you can remove the noxious additions to what was originally a pretty good article? Kenmore (talk) 04:40, 22 August 2021 (UTC)