Talk:Mikhail Rodzianko

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For personal names, the "conventional transliteration" proposed by Ghirlandajo does not always match up with the familiar English usage. In this case, I've read numerous English books on the subject, and never seen this surnamed transliterated as anything other than "Rodzianko". john k 18:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

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Someone confuses Alexei Khovstov, another Russian politician, with Rodzianko and wants his opinion published here. He wants a courteous answer to an unreferenced insult Taksen (talk) 04:53, 27 April 2015 (UTC)Taksen (talk) 05:12, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Twice deleted comment about Mikhail Rodzianko being called a "Fat Pig"
Taksen asked me to keep an on this page for alleged "vandalism" by Paulturtle. I came here, looked at the history, and this is what Paulturtle added to this page:


 * "==Fat pig==
 * When the February Revolution broke out, didn't the Tsar, who was away at the front, message his wife that he had received "some nonsense from that fat pig Rodzianko"?Paulturtle (talk) 17:47, 26 April 2015 (UTC)"

Ends quote For some reason, Taksen decided that this constituted vandalism and threatened to report Paulturtle.
 * It is a valid question, there was no inpropriety or obsecenity and in no way it is vandalism.
 * It is against policy to remove comments on a talkpage unless these are improper, contain obcenities, are baiting fellow editors, etc, wehich is not the case.
 * Threatening another editor with "reporting" for asking a question is beyond the pale. The days when we burned people at the stake for seeking information are thankfully buried under centutries of enlightenment. And since when do we need references to ask questions?
 * Paulturtle is entirely right that a courteous answer would have been better. Instead, Taksen finds this suggestion grounds to mock and ridicule him.
 * If anything, it is Taksen's behabviour that could be seen as vandalism.

if you believe that another user is confused about something, do not delete his edits and replace them with some vague observation about "someone". That is not how it works. It is unprofessional, and a waste of time because to do something about it will noe require having to consult the edit history to see what the comments were. Professionally, you should have replied beneath the question, stating your view and with informatoin on why you think that reference is about someone else as you claim.

Even if no-one ever referred to Rodzianko as "fat pig", there is no reason to delete the question, that is what the talk page is here for, so we can count on each other to clarify any doubts we might have about the subject. But as it is, there are references to this on the internet, including in school books used in Scotland.

Best regards, Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 14:33, 27 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I was indeed wondering why such a famous quote (indeed, probably the only thing for which Rodzianko is remembered outside Russia nowadays) was not mentioned in the article. I've been coming across it since the late 1970s. It is rendered slightly differently here in the title of Episode 18 of a famous series, so it is perfectly possible that the Tsar called somebody else "a fat pig" and the two quotes became confused in popular memory. Lots of "famous quotes" are actually apocryphal, or misquoted, or were said by other people. It would be a useful matter for the article to shed some light on.Paulturtle (talk) 17:34, 27 April 2015 (UTC)


 * The Tsar did not like Rodzianko, the Duma, democracy and the parliament. The so called "famous quote" says more about the Tsar than about Rodzianko, why don't you put it there? Rodzianko did not like Rasputin, so he was hated by Alexandra and Nicolas. Besides there is already information on Rodzianko's size. What will happen if we add all the opinions of Prince Berhard von Lippe-Biesterfeld or Prince Charles, etc. on Wikipedia? To me it seems superfluous, not encyclopedic and redundant. Taksen (talk) 10:54, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Taksen, so in other words, what you are saying now is that you knew all along that the reference to "fat pig" is true and were trying to prevent this making its way into the article. To that end, you went to great lengths including threatening a collegaue. YOU should be blocked and I encourage the other editor to seek redress, not for personal gain, but for the well-being of the project. Your conduct is shameful. At the very least, you owe Paulturtle an apology. Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 13:13, 28 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I never expected to call someone a fat pig is within Wikipedia scope. It is shame someone is defending this. I am not going to apologize. Taksen (talk) 13:54, 28 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I never expected to see someone who has been editing the Wikipedia for 9 years not know the difference between "calling someone [something]" and quoting, citing, refering to something said by someone else. It is a distinction so basic that it is taught in primary school, because unless one understands the difference, it is impossible to make sense of any information, starting with something as plain as a newspaper. Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 16:28, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Bernard Pipes (p282 of his lengthy tome on the Russian Revolution) also has the Tsar saying it to Count Fredericks (as the article currently states), and renders it as "that fat fellow". It may be that the tone was so disrespectful that somebody translated it loosely as "fat pig".Paulturtle (talk) 22:27, 1 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I have heard of Richard Pipes and Bernard Pares.Taksen (talk) 06:26, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Richard Pipes.Paulturtle (talk) 19:17, 2 May 2015 (UTC)