Talk:MilSim

Need for Expansion
This page should be expanded to recognize the use of the term in paintball and Tom Clancy games. 65.197.192.130 23:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree I will try to work on this page some time this week. Ben505 17:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I added paintball and the Splinter Cell games to the article so I removed one of the two tags.

Airsoft guns used in MilSim are commonly referred to as airsoft guns.
Am I the only one who sees a problem with this statement? 71.203.209.0 01:43, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Fixed it Ben505 17:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Tom Clancy has nothing to do with MilSim
MilSim is a kind of real-life game played using airsoft or paintball guns. Military simulation video games are different and have no place in this article. I've never referred to Splinter Cell as a milsim... I refer to it as an action/stealth video game. Technically, saying Tom Clancy games are milsims means that every single video game involving a real-life gun and combat situations resembling modern warfare is a milsim. Please start a new article (Military simulation (video games) perhaps?) as this one is reserved for airsoft/paintball/real-life games and activities. RavenStorm 03:56, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

MILES
Multiple Integrated Laser Engagement System is a training system using blank cartridges and lasers to simulate battles for military exercises. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.106.3 (talk) 05:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Problems
This article has multiple serious problems. Firstly, the subject of the article is unclear. The main subject appears to be physical civilian military simulations played for entertainment purposes (and I have clarified it as such, to differentiate the subject from military simulations). However, the article also mentions computer games, a computer simulation called MilSim that is intended for military use, and military re-enactment, which are very different subjects and should not be lumped together in a single article. Secondly, there is a lack of evidence of the notability of civilian military simulations for entertainment purposes. While I do gather that such games are common and quite likely are notable, Wikipedia policy is that this article should not exist without independent sources. Thirdly, the bulk of the article re-covers the subjects of Airsoft and Paintball, which are well-covered in their own articles. However, if that content is removed then there is very little left. This article should discuss what sets MilSim games apart from other such games, with reliable sources provided for verifiability, and should only mention Airsoft and Paintball in passing as technology used in such games, with links to the relevant articles. Once reliable sources on MilSim are found, the title "MilSim" should be reconsidered: is that what it is usually called, and is the term sufficiently unambiguous? As an alternative, the article could be given a clear and distinct descriptive title, such as Civilian military simulation or Recreational military simulation. Ryan Paddy (talk) 23:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC) Note: Just to let you know...the reason the MILSIM entry was put in the wikki article on MilSim was because it is a registered trade mark of C4i Consultants Inc. and I am the owner of the trademark. No issues with it existing here - perhaps it would be better in the Military Simulation entry. If people search for "milsim" both the paintball and the military simulation name should come up. Maybe this page should disappear and the paintball and airsoft should go under their category and the military simulation goes under the military simulation category? Or as an alternative, the MILSIM computer simulation can be expanded with additional information. User Bruce Gilkes (Owner C4i Consultants) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brucegilkes (talk • contribs) 19:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Removal of MilSim Software Section
Folks, in the spirit of "why can't we all just get along", I need to re-introduce the MILSIM Software section in a limited, non promotional form. C4i Consultants (in Canada) and Applied Training Solutions (in the USA) have a trademark on the name "MILSIM", therefore we are supposed to vigorously defend the use of the trademark. However, given that so many kindred spirits practice the paintball sport that goes by the same name, I believe it is only fair to share the space. I recognize that the article has become about paintball, but we need to have our software mentioned in passing and I believe that the previous version strikes a reasonable, non-promotional, encyclopedic balance. Thanks for understanding! Bruce --174.0.248.223 (talk) 03:31, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

I've created this as a separate section as this discussion is considerably newer than the one above.

I'm proposing that the section regarding the MilSim software is removed. Not only is it not really appropriate for this article, which refers to civilian military simulations (which would never be able to use the software which is only available to governments and militaries), the owner of the trademark for the software was the one who added it to the article, which strikes me as a blatant breach of WP:SOAP.

It's not much, but it will solve one of the issues with the article. What do we think? RWJP (talk) 14:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with RWJP, pretty blatant example of self promotion, given no one else has weighed in on this, I'm deleting the Milsim Software section. If the owner wishes, I'm sure he can encourage others to write a separate article about his software that is largely non-sequitor with the article. Said article could certainly be linked to from this one (as per: For the software application known as MILSIM see...). Haem0nculus —Preceding undated comment added 06:50, 28 December 2010 (UTC).