Talk:Milford Haven/Archive 2

Rail connections
TYhis section on transport  is probably not  supposed to  be a history  of local and regional  transport. AFAIK, and according to other settlement articles, it is to  povide a short overview of actual  services. I've shortened and rewritten it, and placed here the original paragraph for easy  reference. If the content is important, perhaps it  can be integrated into  another section:

"The first links to a railway to Milford Haven came through the completion of the South Wales Railway in 1856. Brunel had a vision of connecting London to New York via a railway through Wales and then to a commuter port. The initial plan was to terminate the line at Fishguard and to create a ferry service to Ireland, but after a failure to complete Irish rail links the terminus was changed to New Milford (Neyland), which was completed in April 1856. The first rail link direct to Milford Haven was completed in 1863, which was originally conceived as a plan to create an impressive Milford to Manchester railway. The original locomotives using the line were operated by Great Western Railway who had part funded the original railway. Today the town in served by Milford Haven railway station. The station, and all trains serving it, are operated by Arriva Trains Wales on the West Wales Line. It is the terminus, and from here, trains depart every two hours to Manchester Piccadilly via Carmarthen, Swansea, and Cardiff Central." --Kudpung (talk) 21:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Alexander Cordell
It may  not  be certain  that: "He settled at various times in Abergavenny, Chepstow, Milford Haven and Wrexham." makes him a notable MH resident.--Kudpung (talk) 03:56, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I can't find any additional information other than he and his family lived in Hong Kong for a while, then returned to Wales settling for a while in Milford Haven. There are no references to any works he may have written during his time in Milford Haven. I'm on the fence with this one. FruitMonkey (talk) 14:53, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I had already  done a lot of searches too. I'm not in favour of adding  all and sundry  to  a notable resident  list  just  for padding  an article. Maybe we should get  a consensus on this.--Kudpung (talk) 20:00, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


 * We could wait for a consensus, but if time is not on our side we could just chop the section out. In the good old Encyclopedia of Wales, Cordell is only really mentioned as settling in Abergavenny. I'm happy to let him go. FruitMonkey (talk) 21:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ --Kudpung (talk) 07:26, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Milford Haven Marina
Currently listed as a landmark, it  may  just  be possibly  worth  considering that  eventually such  an item might  be arguably better located in  a possible section that could, for the possible purpose of accuracy  in the layout  of the Wikipedia article, be more aptly titled Amenities. See: Amenity. Or, in the interests of brevity and less clutter, to  relocate it  under Sport and leisure.--Kudpung (talk) 04:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have moved the Marina section as suggested to Sport and leisure. I agree that it would be better served under Amenities, but I too think it would cause clutter. FruitMonkey (talk) 11:54, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Redundancy & BLP
Sarah Waters is mentioned twice: once in Education  and again in Notable people. It may  just be possible that  the mention  of her attending  the school  would eventually be sufficiently  addressed in  her biographical  entry in  Notable people. BTW: Furthermore, it is possibly  worth  considering  that  she probably did not  in  fact  attend Milford Haven School, but was more likely  to  have  attended its predecessor on  the site: Milford Haven Grammar School. Correct sources will of course need citing. See: WP:BLP--Kudpung (talk) 04:30, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Removed Sarah Waters from the Education section. Enough of a mention under notable people. FruitMonkey (talk) 14:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually Sara is a Neyland person. She just went to school in Milford Haven as Neyland does not have its own comprehensive school and pupils are spread between MH Haverfordwest and Pembroke schools. Agathoclea (talk) 09:46, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Helen Watts
It is possibly  slightly  more formal and encyclopedic to  state that  she studied, rather than was educated at  the RAM. Such is the trend generally in the way professionals write about pursuing  courses of specialised training  or higher education. Her 'education' took place apparently  at  Abbots Bromley School.--Kudpung (talk) 04:50, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Davies, John; Jenkins, Nigel (2008). The Welsh Academy Encyclopaedia of Wales. Cardiff: University of Wales Press. ISBN 9780708319536.
How does ref No. 3: describe the history of the railways if the cited page is apparently about  population? --Kudpung (talk) 05:17, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The Encyclopedia of Wales references all major Welsh settlements and regions, page 556 to 557 is the 'Milford Haven' article, it starts with Milford Haven (Aberdaugleddau or Milffwrd) Pembrokeshire (1540 ha; 13086 inhabitants) it then goes on the give a brief four paragraph overview of Milford Haven including the coming of the railways. FruitMonkey (talk) 10:56, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Milford Haven Museum
Ref No. 67, walesdirectory.co.uk, is a advertising  directory. AFAIK, these websites are not considered reliable sources for encyclopedic use in  the Wikipedia. It could nevertheless transpire that  my  contention  is entirely  unfounded and that  I  have misunderstood the policy, or that any policy  may  have been recently changed.--Kudpung (talk) 05:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Concur with Kudpung, switching reference to one from pembrokeshirevirtualmuseum.co.uk, a nice little article which is funded by Pembrokshire County Council and Pembrokeshire Museum Service. Hopefully more reliable. FruitMonkey (talk) 11:46, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

References out of sync;?
Ref No.25 seems to have little relevance to  population growth.--Kudpung (talk) 07:09, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No relevance at all, can't see where it should have been placed either. Removing. FruitMonkey (talk) 12:07, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

direction Star
I have been away from Wikipedia for some month so might have missed the discussion, but don't think such a monstrosity should be included in a good article. At any rate it does refer to locations within the town of Milford Haven like Hakin. Agathoclea (talk) 10:06, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * There is a discussion in the GA Review about the neighbouring settlements and more accurate use of the Geographic Location template. Provided the template is used correctly to identify the neighbouring settlements, then its use would not impact upon the GA criteria. People have different tastes for templates - I have a preference for text over templates, and have joined in discussions in the appropriate venues to discourage their usage; however, there has generally been a clear consensus that people find them useful. While I share your personal dislike of this template, it is in use on over 6,800 articles and in a recent discussion there was overwhelming support for keeping it - . I understand that Pondle is looking into which settlements are within Milford Haven and which fall outside.  SilkTork  *YES! 17:39, 31 January 2010 (UTC)