Talk:Military history of Afghanistan/Archive 1

Untitled
Given the present state of the article, I think that the stub tag should be removed. Any objections? --RaiderAspect 11:33, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

I removed this line at the end of the article : "THIS IS SHIT, NATO FORCES, MAINLEY BRITAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET IT RIGHT!!!!!!!" --Pluie De Sang 02:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Please do not erase any information becuase this article took me a long time to build from end of november to end of december. any one is welcome to add any other pics or info that is accurate but please do not erase nothing. Does anyone have any pics of the Afghan Army from the 60's or 70's pls add it to the article. I might find some and add it but feel welcome to add any of your pics Abdul916 18:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

To the person who added the good info and Afghan Army symbol can you under suppliers add Egypt and China becuase other than the Soviet Union those two nation supplied the Afghan military also later during Daud's last days becuase pakistan did not supply the military only certain militias that it was in favor of winning the civil war. Abdul916 17:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Informal review
User:Buckshot06 has asked me to do an informal review of this article. Here are my comments.
 * I think that this is an article which is well worth expanding. The Afghani military is an important and interesting topic and the article has plenty of good material to build upon.
 * As a general comment, much of the article seems to have been written by someone who isn't a native English speaker and reads awkwardly at times.
 * As another general comment, the article needs more inline citations.
 * The history section refers to "Afghanistan's first organized army (in the modern sense)" but doesn't discuss the pre-modern Afghani armies. I think that a brief discussion of Afghani military tradition and culture would be worth including, as this seems to be important to the Afghani way of war.
 * The history section should discuss the role the Afghani military played in the war during the 1980s - what size was it, what did it do and was it effective?
 * I'm unclear on what happened to the military during the 1990s. Did it completely dissolve?
 * The 'Theatres of operations' section should be merged into the history section. The claim that an Afghani conquest of much of Pakistan was considered possible in the 1960s needs a strong citation.
 * The 'weapons and vehicles' section might need to be updated to discuss what the military is currently equipped with (including the Western equipment which has arrived since 2001)
 * A stronger conclusion section on the current state of the military and its future prospects might be worth including. --Nick Dowling 00:26, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Unreferenced, potentially untrue material

 * (Moved from main article)' Afghanistan's Government was mainly neutral for most of the Cold War during the 1950s-1970s. In 1967 Afghanistan was one of many nations who sent peace keeping troops to the Sinai Peninsula under United Nations mandate following the Six day war between Egypt and Israel.'

The official UN website for UNEF II, the force in question, does not list Afghanistan. Buckshot06 04:27, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * (Moved from main article)'In 1987 to 1990 President Mohammad Najibullah sent combat units to neighboring Tajikistan after the Tajik government requested assistance to fight guerillas and radical Islamic groups and keep the socialist soviet government from falling to Tajikistan's Mujahideen. The USSR provided financial support to the Afghan force as it did not want to be militarily involved due to its past experiences in Afghanistan. The mission was a total disaster after fierce battles and operations, the Afghan military was forced to withdraw after loosing almost 5,000 men (even though the Afghan army won almost every battle), rising Islamic factions in Afghanistan who were almost at civil war with each other and were aimed to toppling the Afghan government in Kabul. This combat mission also contributed to weakening the Afghan army.'

Nothing on the web referring to this expedition can be found - can certainly be reinserted if sources are provided, but seems unlikely, because the Soviet 40th Army was still in AFghanistan at the time and the state to the north was the USSR, not Tajikistan. Buckshot06 15:51, 27 October 2007 (UTC) Buckshot06 00:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * (Moved from main article)Afghan Prime Minister Daud Khan threatened to invade Pakistan in 1963 by massing up troops on the Durand Line border. Within 24 hours the residents of NWFP (North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan) were evacuating, fearing an Afghan blitzkrieg that was promised by the Afghan Prime Minister. However, by the time the first Afghan infantry crossed the Durand Line border, King Zahir Shah called off the invasion and proclaimed Afghanistan as a peaceful country to an alarmed United Nations, Iran, and Pakistan because of fears that the Afghan military would try to invade Karachi. This would have enabled Afghanistan to have access to the Persian Gulf which would lead to a possible destabilization of the mid east region and Afghanistan no longer being land locked, annexation of half of South Asia by a Central Asian and Middle-Eastern country for the first time in many years. Due to these worries he announced the resignation of Prime Minister Daud.  This move made President Daud to enlarge the armed forces to 200,000 strong, fearing a possible invasion by the Soviets because of this bold move.

Merge
I suggest that we merge this article into the Afghan National Army article. The ANA does not just refer to the Ground Force only, it also refers to the Afghan National Army Air Corps and the Afghan National Army Commando Battalion. As their names clearly show, they are considered part of the ANA, and I say that this article become part of Afghan National Army, with "Military of Afghanistan redirecting there. RM (Be my friend)


 * Oppose - The military of Afghanistan should cover the nation's military from 1747 when the nation was born. The new Afghan National Army was created in 2002. The Afghan Air Force was a separate branch in the past. The Afghan National Army Air Corps will probably be made a separate branch again once its size gets big, so then we have to start all over again.--Jrkso (talk) 13:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the Afghan National Army Air Corps tells you its just an air branch of the ANA just by the name. And on Wikipedia, we usually call armed forces by their official names. We can detail all of the history in "Military history of Afghanistan" (If it doesn't exist, create it). But Afghan National Army is actually the full name of the Military, and to make two articles about the exact same thing makes no sense.--RM (Be my friend) 15:45, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You didn't get my point. The name "Afghan National Army Air Corps" was created by the Americans and is temporary because Afghanistan only had about 4 helicopters at the time, but soon it will have 160 aircraft and then the name "Afghan National Army Air Corps" will be changed back to Afghan Air Force. It makes no sense to do all this work. Armed forces, Army and Air force should all have separate articles.--Jrkso (talk) 17:26, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I suggest you take another look at that page, my friend. It has over 40 Aircraft.--RM (Be my friend) 22:26, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I suggest you pay more attention when reading me. I said, Afghanistan only "had" about 4 helicopters [at the time].... starting around 2005 it began receiving additional ones from NATO nations. U.S. made a deal to grant about 160, that deal hasn't completed yet and after it does the country will have over 200, and in the meantime the Afghan Air Force will be re-established as a separate air branch as it was before 1992. It will be mentored and supervised by the United States Air Force. So, the "Afghan National Army Air Corps" is just a temporary name. Keep in mind that Afghanistan as whole is going through a reconstruction process, most government instutions are just starting their websites, its military doesn't have one yet. Let's at least wait for that to happen then we can use the name given at their official site. Does that sound fair?--Jrkso (talk) 18:40, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - same argument as Jrkso. 'Afghan National Army' is merely the name it has right now for the ground based branch. Does not cover history since 1747. Does not cover air forces as Air Force, neither does it cover the militias that have been very important in Afghan history. Buckshot06 (talk) 08:51, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Expenditure
So 2,6% from GDP (PPP) of 26.976 billion is 7,6 billion, is this correct? Or that budget also accounts international help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.129.202.201 (talk) 20:25, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

my name rafiullah i am from kunr i have need jub — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.188.140.210 (talk) 19:59, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 5 one external links on Afghan Armed Forces. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070609114910/http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/parameters/02autumn/jalali.htm to http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/02autumn/jalali.htm
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070609114910/http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/parameters/02autumn/jalali.htm to http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/02autumn/jalali.htm
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070609114910/http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/parameters/02autumn/jalali.htm to http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/02autumn/jalali.htm
 * Added archive http://www.webcitation.org/5wQIhdcO2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.defenselink.mil%2Ftranscripts%2Ftranscript.aspx%3Ftranscriptid%3D4126 to http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=4126
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090912083749/http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123045015 to http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123045015

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 03:15, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Afghan Armed Forces. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added tag to http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Afghan-army-and-police-forces-must-grow-much-larger-8117910-53504267.html
 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=4126
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20140414185255/http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=64044 to http://www.defense.gov//news/newsarticle.aspx?id=64044

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 15:13, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Opening paragraph says "in the coming year"
The opening paragraph contains the line "in the coming year," but appears to be referring to several years ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.40.87 (talk) 02:44, 31 July 2018 (UTC)