Talk:Military history of Asian Americans

Article Expansion references
As was said about the political section, that much more can be said about the military section that is not even three sentences long. Furthermore, it has had an expansion tag for a considerable period of time, with no expansion by other members. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 13:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Links to be used for section revamp: The above links will be used as I continue to revamp this section--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:54, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * DoD's Personnel Chief Gives Asian-Pacific American History Lesson
 * Asian/Pacific American Military Timeline
 * An Asian Pacific American Timeline
 * CHINESE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR VETERAN HONORED IN PENNSYLVANIA CEREMONIES
 * Asian American Civil War Soldiers Honored
 * American War and Military Operations Casualties: Lists and Statistics
 * Mexico and the United States
 * First & Last at USMA
 * Sea change at Annapolis: the United States Naval Academy, 1949-2000, Volume 415

Links to be used for section revamp, World War II: --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 13:21, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * US Army Asian Pacific Islander Feature
 * The Korean Americans in the War of Independence
 * Veterans of 1st & 2nd Filipino Infantry Regiments
 * California's Filipino Infantry
 * Chinese-Americans in World War II
 * Korean Americans in King County
 * Koreans in America
 * Article: One Fifth of Chinese Americans Fight Fascism in World War II
 * Go For Broke
 * Japanese Americans during World War II
 * Oakland Museum of California
 * 1940s Chinese Americans
 * Americans First
 * Filipino Americans

Additional reference links: --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:59, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The U.S. Army and Counterinsurgency in the Philippine War, 1899-1902 By Brian McAllister Linn
 * Beyond Courage: One Regiment Against Japan, 1941-1945 By Dorothy Cave
 * Asian American Studies 456 Filipinos In America Course Reader
 * Filipinos in America By Sarah Frank

Expansion Ideas
Perhaps there should be a section that specifies unit and individual recognition of Asian Americans in Military Service? Perhaps there should be a section about Asian American POWs, there are many interesting stories that perhaps are notable to mention such as 1 2 3 4 5 6 --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:34, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Proposed new lead
In the peer review it was suggested that the lead be expanded. Therefore, I propose that the lead be rewritten as follows:
 * Asian Americans, who are Americans of Asian descent, have fought and served on behalf of the United States since the War of 1812. During the American Civil War Asian Americans fought for both the Union and the Confederacy. Afterwards Asian Americans served primarily in the U.S. Navy until the Philippine-American War.
 * At the beginning the 20th Century, Asian Americans would begin to attend the United States' military academies and the first incidents that would lead to Asian Americans being awarded the Medal of Honor. World War I saw Asian Americans serving as "non-whites" in the National Army. After World War I, Asian American service fell into obscurity until World War II when significant contributions were documented by Japanese, Chinese, Filipino, and Korean Americans.
 * With the desegregation of the United States Military in 1948 segregated Asian American units ceased to exist, and Asian Americans continued to serve in an integrated armed forces. Actions of valorous Asian American individuals continued to be recorded in the Korean and Vietnam Conflicts, and Asian Americans have continued to serve until the present day.
 * With the desegregation of the United States Military in 1948 segregated Asian American units ceased to exist, and Asian Americans continued to serve in an integrated armed forces. Actions of valorous Asian American individuals continued to be recorded in the Korean and Vietnam Conflicts, and Asian Americans have continued to serve until the present day.
 * With the desegregation of the United States Military in 1948 segregated Asian American units ceased to exist, and Asian Americans continued to serve in an integrated armed forces. Actions of valorous Asian American individuals continued to be recorded in the Korean and Vietnam Conflicts, and Asian Americans have continued to serve until the present day.

Opinions, suggestions, critiques?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:53, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Receiving no opinions, suggestions, or critiques I will replace the current lead with what is above.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:06, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Dates
A very minor issue, but should this use US instead of European date style per WP:STRONGNAT? -- Khazar2 (talk) 21:08, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * In general, the United States military has a culture of using day month year in its documentation. You'll find that many articles about the United States military keeps with this usage.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 16:29, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

First Asian USMC officer
Something about Kurt Chew-Een Lee should be in the article. Binksternet (talk) 16:12, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Done, please see this diff.
 * Please keep the suggestions coming!--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:04, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Right on. Binksternet (talk) 19:05, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

JAVA sources
I have opened up a discussion at WP:RSN.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 03:28, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Due to an opinion by Nick-D, I have replaced references that went to JAVA sourced material, and hid content that could not be verified through other means. I am having difficulty finding a RS regarding the number of Asian American general/flag officers, and important number IMHO. There is this story from Newshour but it doesn't say anything about Asian Americans specifically. Any assistance in finding a new source would be appreciated.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 16:00, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The source of the Newshour story is this report dated to February 2010. It doesn't give raw numbers as the JAVA source does, and there is a comment by User:Binksternet, who supports the opinion that JAVA is a reliable source.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:48, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The discussion at RSN has been archived. An interested editor can find the discussion here:
 * Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 143.
 * It is my opinion that there is a plurality of active editors at the discussion whose opinion is that JAVA is a WP:RS, but that no consensus has been made with all active editors in this discussion.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:10, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

White
I noticed that White has been de-capitalized again. However, it is short for White American. Generally, if Black American (more commonly African American) were used, and shortened to Black, it would remain capital; correct? Same goes that Asian is kept capitalized. Please help me understand if I am in the wrong.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 04:50, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * G'day, I have no preference either way. The reason I decapitalised it was because the article seemed to use the decapitalised version in preference to capitalised (by my count before I changed it the non capitalised version appeared eight times, while the capitalised version appeared once). I have no objection to it being changed back, but then all mentions should be consistent. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 10:35, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I did not realize there was that discrepancy; non-capitalized is fine then. Plus it is keeping with the Oxford Dictionary (external link).--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 16:28, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

This has passed as a Wikipedia Good Article
(I have "duplicated" this here for when the review is no longer transcluded.)

This has passed as a Wikipedia Good Article. Congratulations! What an immense about of interesting material has been included in this article! North8000 (talk) 00:40, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reviewer
 * Thanks for reviewing this article. Please let me know how it can "flow" better, perhaps I should take it to WP:GOCE?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:13, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Pacific Islanders
Is this article written just about Asian Americans? The article mentions Pacific Islanders but does speak about them distinctively apart from the term Asian and Pacific Islanders.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:44, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * This is due to the Asian Pacific American grouping that use to be more common in the past. Therefore some statistics or sources lump both Asian Americans and Pacific Islander Americans in one source.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 15:30, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Mexican-American War
Interestingly the Mexican-American War is not mentioned in this article. Was there simply no known Asian American combatants in this war?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:39, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

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please revert yourself. As can be seen from the source, it does not specify target. So to specify a specific target, it would be original research on our part.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:09, 10 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Links to DAB pages are errors (which get picked up by User:DPL bot), are unhelpful to readers, and need to be resolved one way or another. In this instance, I've added footnotes explaining the difficulties and neutrally setting out the options. (I came across the problem last week of what all the sources called "A near B" in the Czech lands in C15. There are 51 modern places called A, none of them particularly near any of the 8 places called B. All I could do was add a footnote basically saying "it's anyone's guess".)


 * I notice that the same source says Bombay. I'd wager that that was the port which people sailed from, but that they may have come from all over Bombay Presidency (which was huge). But, no-one knows. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 11:34, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I received the DAB notice when I made the edit. Thanks for your assistance regarding this matter, hopefully the footnotes help the readers.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 15:10, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

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