Talk:Military police

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Someone has been messing with the pages
For example, when you go into edit for "Australia", you get the text regarding Australia, yet when you go into the page itself, well, I'll copy/paste for you here.

TEXT AS SEEN IN EDIT; In the Australian Army, the Royal Australian Corps of Military Police also performs the role of a secondary communications network in the front battle zone.

So, someone may want to do something about this.

Also, the information about the Coast Guard members being appointed as Special Deputy US Marshals is wrong. I swerved with BOTH and in 30 years only saw a few USCG staff be appointed as law enforcement. They DON'T need it, they can arrest or detain for violations of law under the federal codes. Try reading and understanding the law before you make such silly staements. The USMS will not often appoint USCG staff as deputies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.227.209.181 (talk) 15:41, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Question about US entry

 * the Gendarmerie may be a militarized police force who serve as military police, but they are mostly used as civil police.--68.32.11.74 15:30, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * In my understanding, being British:-
 * Gendarmerie are police that are army-ish, and they keep the general population in order.
 * Military police are police that keep the members of the army in order.
 * They are different. Anthony Appleyard 16:23, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, someone more familiar with the subject should make this distiction a little more explicit in the article. ike9898 17:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Question about NZ entry
"The Military Police in New Zealand like to have crazy incest with their kangaroo cousins. Michael Floyd occasionally joins in on the festivities."

This passage may not be accurate or appropriate in this context.Glenn.robinson 05:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * You could have removed it yourself, you know! -- Necrothesp 17:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Cheers, I've only just signed up - I didn't realise I had that power.

S.Korean MP
i'm surprised there is no article about south korean MP, i heard koreans have well-trained MPs due to their current status (in war with N.Korea) there are articles about NZ, singapore and even portuguese MP! i'm from NZ but i never knew we had MP here lol someone create an article regarding S.Korean MP, i think Korean topics are always overlooked on wikipedia. 139.80.123.34 23:05, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Brazil Federal Forces
What about the new Força Nacional de Segurança? --Pinnecco 17:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Try here National Force of Public Safety--Degen Earthfast (talk) 03:20, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Finnish MP powers in national emergency
The powers of the various Finnish authorities are quite clearly listed in the Preparedness Act, in the Act on the State of Defence, and in various branch-specific acts. None of these includes any provision for the military police to have general jurisdiction over civilians, as far as I know. Of course, the military would use large areas as storage depots or deployment areas, and therefore, the military areas where the MP have jurisdiction even over civilians would expand hugely.

If the State of defence act is in force, the military would have control of areas which are used for defence against an imminent attack. However, even in this area, the military authority would not have total jurisdiction over civilian persons. It would only have competence to keep peace, commandeer material, industrial installations, buildings, destroy and alter real and removable property, and obligate any persons between 15 and 65 years of age to work in duties useful for the military for a period of no more than 24 days. Still, the military would not have the right to investigate crimes committed by civilians. The military police would only have the competence to investigate crimes committed by servicemen or by civilian persons employed by the military. (In normal situation, the military authorities lack the latter jurisdiction.)

It is well known that the need of public safety will increase in a national emergency. However, the force to be used to complement the police in such a situation is the täydennyspoliisi (lit. complementary police), consisting of volunteers. This force may be used to increase the police strenght by several thousand men if the Preparedness Act is in force. However, the police reservists may use force only if they are directed by a regular policeman. (See The decree on complementary police personnel (886/1997) and Police Act (493/1995), § 42, as in the act 525/2005) Thus, there is no need to use military police for purely civilian duties, as there is a separate civilian force for that purpose.

So, if there is a provision in the Finnish legislation that gives military police a general crisis-time-jurisdiction over civilians in areas not threatened by an imminent enemy attack or used by the military, I would be most interested to hear about it. As far as I see, the Finnish legislation has been carefully crafted to make sure that the military has powers only where they are militarily useful. --MPorciusCato 06:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thinking over the the above discussion, I remembered that the MPs may be of course used in joint patrols with the civilian police, even in normal situation. In this case, the civilian policeman has the complete jurisdiction over civilians, and he may, at his discretion, temporarily ask any persons, including the MPs, to give him assistance in his duties. In such a situation, the military policemen (or any other persons authorized by the policeman) may use force towards any person under the direct supervision of the policeman in question. However, in this case, the jurisdiction over the civilians flows from the person of the policeman directing the operation. The military persons present have no independent authority and cannot act without the command of the civilian policeman. --MPorciusCato 07:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

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Swedish MP and MP Rangers
Under the Sweden category the Military Police Rangers are not called Livskadron they are under diffrent squadrons called Sigtuna Skvadron. The Military Police Rangers first objectives are in order: countersabotage, recon and sabotage and after that ordinaty MP duties. That is what differs the MP Rangers from the ordinary MP:s. The MP:s learn to ride a horse MP Rangers does not. At all the Swedish MP differs from the american MP:s since the Swedes has other brigades just for regimental security and guard duties. The Swedish MP and MP Rangers are supposed to most often conduct investigations of crimes commited in or towards the Armed Defence Force and are supposed to investigate the actions of the regimental guards and other guarding companies.

Egypt
and other arab countries.. huge and active military police forces and no mention here 86.18.207.227 (talk) 19:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess we just don't know much about Egypt's et al military police forces. If you know some things, you can be bold and add them. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 19:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

USA
Removed this :

Limitation of authority and jurisdiction
United States military police are prohibited from enacting state police powers and domestic peace officer powers under the Posse Comitatus Act, a federal law passed in 1878. MPs may enforce certain limited powers, such as traffic stops, on access roads and other federal property not necessarily within the boundaries of their military base or installation. The only way MPs are allowed to enforce law and order outside of the military realm as stated above is when martial law is in effect. When combined, the Posse Comitatus Act and Insurrection Act place significant limits on presidential power to use the military in a law enforcement capacity. This allows the state more time to use their resources and authorities to the fullest extent, allowing for the possibility of military involvement only when their resources have been completely used up.

The Posse Comitatus Act applies specifically to the U.S. Army (and, by extension the U.S. Air Force which evolved from a service of the Army under the National Security Act of 1947). The U.S. Navy and Marine Corps are not included in the statute but the Department of the Navy (which oversees both services) adopted the statute by regulation.

The only military forces exempt from the act are the United States Coast Guard, as their mission includes maritime law enforcement duties; State National Guard troops under state authority and state defense forces, which are state troops serving under the governor and may be assigned enforcement support duties. The Alaska State Defense Force has a Military Police section, who are state constables.

as irrelevant to this article--Degen Earthfast (talk) 03:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

AND- as with any Act of Congress (sic), the Posse Comitatus Act can be suspended and/or repealed when it becomes politically expedient to do so. IE World War Two.--Degen Earthfast (talk) 03:27, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Rewriting
I think this article should be re-written to be less of an incomplete country-by-country guide of organisations that are vaguely related, and become more of a discussion of the concept of "military + police", divided roughly along the lines of the four classes in the lead. The county-specific sections really belong in their respective Law enforcement in X articles; they can't all be included here. ninety:one  14:37, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Does anyone have any comment to make? I'm envisaging roughly the following:
 * History - Covering what shared history there is between different types of military police
 * Types - Covering the different types of military police and how they differ
 * and then "see also" links to lists. This will also involve moving (unless already duplicated) country-specific information to their respective Law enforcement in X country articles. ninety:one  17:59, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * ninety:one  17:59, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Someone also needs to add in a bit about a very important role that MPs have in an ongoing conflict. After the vanguard of a military's forces pass through an area, MPs are the ones in charge of traffic control.  They prepare and place road signs (which are usually defaced or removed by retreating defenders) and are stationed at intersections to make sure reinforcements and supplies get where they need to go. 198.189.57.10 (talk) 17:41, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Arabic Section
The Arabic section on MP connects to this one (English is among the languages on the side of the article). But Arabic is not among the languages on the left-hand side of this article. This should be amended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.250.250.23 (talk) 07:34, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Total duplication with Provost_(military_police)
Isn't it a total duplication of the article Provost (military police)-- ? Jardeheu (talk) 10:56, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Merger is definitely needed MWFwiki (talk) 07:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Biased
Is there any reason for the USA section to be much longer and have 10 pictures?

31.205.76.155 (talk) 12:12, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * That's not what "biased" means. "Biased" means favoring a certain point of view, disregarding objectivity. It doesn't mean that a section happens to be longer. Would you like to fork an article? If you think that more could be written on the topic, and that would be a good article, please write that. In fact, when reading the article, it seems that military police is a complex topic with the U.S. military, since there is no single MP service as in many other countries; this naturally requires more text. --vuo (talk) 21:17, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

People's Liberation Army
Anyone have info on the military police of the People's Liberation Army? It's the largest military in the world yet it appears not to be mentioned.--RM (Be my friend) 22:02, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Brazilian State Police = Gendarmes?
In the opening section, when listing the various ‘types’ of MP units/forces, we currently have Brazil’s state police (SP) forces listed with its very own bullet.

To be clear, I am not against this, if the SP forces are truly unique, and can’t be classified along with any other type of MP. But that doesn’t see to be the case?

From my understanding, they appear to simply be a type of gendarmerie? They’re (inactive?) reserve forces of the Brazilian Army that police the civilian population. The only ‘unique’ portion of their mandate is that each Brazilian state controls its own SP force. This is unique for gendarmeries, as, as far I’m aware, all other gendarmeries are controlled at a national/federal level.

However, I don’t feel this warrants a separate bullet point, especially not right at the opening. They should likely be listed within the gendarmerie bullet, unless someone can better explain why they’re so unique?

Thoughts? MWFwiki (talk) 07:02, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Photographs
Regarding the photographs in the introduction, one of them could be moved to the United States or United Kingdom sections. Then another photograph could be added to the introduction, such as this https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:International_Police_in_Caserta,_Italy,_6_May_1944_TR1769.jpg Dreddmoto (talk) 17:21, 12 January 2023 (UTC)