Talk:Millard Fillmore/Archive 1

society
There should be some discussion regarding the Society for the Preservation and Enhancement of the Recognition of Millard Fillmore, Last Of the Whigs, commonly referred to as the Millard Fillmore Society.


 * The website "The Straight Dope" suggests this society may have been defunct by 1976. If thats true, it obviously pre-dated the internet so getting historical (ie, genuine) info may be hard.Engr105th (talk) 19:50, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Bad Redirect
I have no idea why but Windows_Media_Player_11 rdirects to this article.
 * Not currently it doesn't, at least for me. studerby 13:10, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

It dosent redirect for me eather. 68.32.73.22 14:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

One of the parties he was affiliated with also is questionable. It either doesnt send you to the right URL or is typed incorrectly. The third party, "American" is a hyperlink to the Know Nothing Party and should either be a hyperlink to the American Party or be changed to "Know Nothing".
 * The Know Nothing party was known as the American party. --Bejnar (talk) 04:57, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Millard Who?
For an unknown president he sure did alot. Way not enough credit given to him.
 * I agree. The article needs an attempt to generalize on his political legacy.  Nothing POV; just some reasonable analysis.  Was he just treading water trying to avoid the Civil War happening on his watch? -- Pinktulip 10:35, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Why Not all the Cabinet?
the Cabinet members under President Taylor ,didn't resign until July 22nd, 1850 13-days after Taylor's death. Thus for the first 13 days of the Fillmore Administration, these men were members of President Fillmore's cabinet. Why are they not listed in Fillmore's Cabinet? Example: President Fillmore's first Secretary of State would be John Clayton not Daniel Webster.
 * Well, by that standard, a lot of presidents are stuck with their predecessors' cabinet secretaries that didn't get replaced until a few days into the term. For instance, John C. Calhoun briefly served as Secretary of State under Polk - for a couple of days.  Should he be listed as a member of Polk's cabinet?  I think this is simply misleading. john k 19:24, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Great Point, Thanks for straigtening me out. 22 October 2005

Vice Presidency error
The following line contains an ambiguous referent:

He made no public comment on the merits of the compromise proposals, but a few days before President Taylor's death, he suggested to him that if there should be a tie vote on Henry Clay's bill, he would vote in favor of it.

The he, him, and he in the bolded sections are unclear - which refer to Fillmore and which to Taylor?


 * Fillmore suggested to Taylor, that he (Fillmore) would vote in favor of Clay's bill. Mightberight/wrong 0:50, 9 November 2005 (UTC).

Also, in the bold-face words in the introduction. it says that Zachary Taylor died of unknown reasons, yet, you simply click Zachory Taylor in the links on the right, Third paragraph of his Introduction:

"Taylor died of acute gastroenteritis just 16 months into his term. Vice President Millard Fillmore became President." So, either Taylor's article is correct, or this one needs some editing" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.218.46.21 (talk) 21:46, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Millard Fillmore/his wives-
I added a paragraph about Fillmore's second marriage and clarified a paragraph in the Abigail Fillmore article about Fillmore's second marriage.I do not think an article about Fillmore's second wife is needed.But then,I may be wrong.Thanks-RFD 21:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC) I saw the new article about Millard Fillmore's second wife Caroline Fillmore.It is excellent and I am supporting it.Thank you-RFD 13:18, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

renomination?
The VP page says that ol' Millard did not seek renomination after the end of his term; this page doesn't realy discuss it one way or the other. Does anyone know more details? I seem to recall that he expressed interest in running but was outmaneuvered by the Whig leadership (I'm not sure how formalized the process of seeking one's party nomination was in 1850). --Jfruh 16:32, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Where?
Where did he die? Was it at home? 68.32.73.22 14:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello again it's me He died in buffalo N.Y. just google Millard Fillmore you'll see it and I do find it strange that it is not located on the page - Programmer8

Teacher or a student????
look in Abigail Fill more it says:

"Shared eagerness for schooling formed a bond when Abigail Powers at 21 met Millard Fillmore at 19, both students at a recently opened academy in the village of New Hope."

But in Millard Fillmore it says:

"He fell in love with his teacher Abigail Powers"

Either his teacher was a student (not likely)

or

Something's wrong here

could someone comment on this to ensure me I'm not going insane -Programmer8 15:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Millard Fillmore and Abigail Powers children.
I am Hoping that you can find their son but I can not so search for Fillmore family.Their daughter Mary Fillmore is very pretty and you can look her up on en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abgail_Fillmore.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.110.227.146 (talk) 16:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Fillmore's Birthplace
The Town of Summerhill did not exist in 1800 when Fillmore was born--Summerhill was created as a subsection of the town of Locke in 1831. Does anyone know what Wikipedians typically do when these conflicts arise?

APWebber 02:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * ...we change them quietly and hope the nut who claimed otherwise doesn't notice?
 * 24.174.0.229 22:44, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Places named after Fillmore
The section titled "Places named after Fillmore" includes locations, especially streets, that could have been named after any Fillmore. I already removed Fillmore, California because that was named after the founder of the city whose last name was also Fillmore. With the exception of those places with Millard Fillmore specifically in the name or those with articles that state the connection, all the locations should either have a citation or be deleted. Any thoughts? Alanraywiki (talk) 01:25, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Good catch—I agree that we need some evidence to warrant the entry in the list. Moreover, I am deleting those places that do not have their own article—my general policy is that if they are not notable enough to warrant their own article, they're not notable enough for one of these lists.   —johndburger 02:11, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Plaques
Wikipedia is not a gallery, but do these add to the history conveyed by the article of not? Obviously, 68.96.193.198 thought they did not when he deleted them on 28 February 2008. Equally obviously, Yoho2001 thought they did when they were added on 7 January 2008. Opinions? --Bejnar (talk) 19:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * When plaques document some interesting detail they may be useful. Some of these appear to simply record basic facts of his life that are well-known and easily verifiable from conventional sources. I'd suggest that unhelpful ones be removed (and posted to the Commons). ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 23:21, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the only marginally interesting one is the shot of the house. Maybe.  And the article does not lack for images. —johndburger 03:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation
I have removed the IPA because it apparently gave a non-rhotic pronunciation (the backwards schwa pointed to a merely "r-colored vowel"). It's possible that I've misunderstood the IPA but in that case so will a lot of people. --Trovatore (talk) 03:17, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Unsupported trivia
The following trivia was removed from the article because no citation was appended: Please provide reliable, published sources for all trivia. --Bejnar (talk) 15:58, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Fillmore Junior High School in the television series The Brady Bunch
 * The 1980s sitcom Head of the Class took place at the fictional "Millard Fillmore High School".
 * The comic strip Mallard Fillmore is named after the president.
 * In 2007, George Pendle wrote The Remarkable Millard Fillmore, a fake biography based on real events that happened in Fillmore's life.
 * Millard Fillmore was the last U.S. president who was neither a Democrat nor a Republican (although Abraham Lincoln was re-elected in 1864 running on the National Union Party ticket with Democrat Andrew Johnson as his running mate).
 * Fillmore is the first of two presidents to have been an indentured servant. He was a clothmaker.
 * Friends of Millard Filmore is an annual trivia hunt founded by Dr. Robert Hunter in 1967 at Carlmont High School, several schools in Northern California participate in this highly competitive event.
 * As of 2008 Fillmore is the only president to be in the same position alphabetically and chronologically (13th in both lists)

Minor: Is "brutal" (cloth maker) subjective, or can it be replaced with something more precise.
Who says brutal? What did that mean? Bjmckenz (talk) 01:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Intro Section screwed up
Is it only me or are there crucial words missing from the intro? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.67.25.23 (talk) 16:58, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Corrected Legacy section ambiguity
I have modified the sentence: "Benson Lee Grayson suggests that the Fillmore administration's avoidance of potential problems is too often overlooked." to read as "Benson Lee Grayson suggests that the Fillmore administration's ability to avoid potential problems is too often overlooked." This is to correct any potential misinterpretation of the text. As it read before it could be misconstrued to mean that the Fillmore administration ignored potential problems, when this is intended to mean that the administration was able to avert them. Stormcellardoor (talk) 20:34, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

was millard fillmore good for anything the only think i found on him is he is the 13th president....................???
was fillmore a reublican.......................??????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.154.147.245 (talk) 19:20, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Millard Fillmore is revered in New Mexico, and "Millard Fillmore Day" has been celebrated there, for it was through his actions that New Mexico was saved from Texas aggression. See, e.g. "Professors Come To The Defense Of Millard Fillmore" Daily News Bowling Green, Kentucky, 16 October 1981. --Bejnar (talk) 19:45, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

How did you know that information? I thought Fillmore's entire presidency was based on the Compromise of 1850. Aruda556 (talk) 03:23, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Places named after Fillmore
It would be a good idea for these places to have either articles or citations. That way they can be verified. --Bejnar (talk) 00:48, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

--Although Fillmore's will instructed his son to destroy his correspondence, he didn't. It was found in a trunk in a New York attic in the 1970's and donated to the Penfield Library at Oswego State University of New York. See http://www.oswego.edu/library2/archives/digitized_collections/fillmore1/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notusip (talk • contribs) 21:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Filmore Street in San Francisco, too? What about Fillmore vs. Filmore spelling? 83.79.67.34 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:08, 14 November 2010 (UTC).

Photos
Hey! The layout of this page looks kind of funky with all the pictures on the right side pushing the text around, leaving a lot of empty spaces. I don't really know how best to work those photos in better, but if anyone knows let's get to work. --Schwindtd (talk) 22:14, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Contention between two articles
From another article (Zachary Taylor) "Taylor was the last President to hold slaves while in office, and the last Whig to win a presidential election."

From this article: Millard Fillmore (January 7, 1800 – March 8, 1874) was the 13th President of the United States (1850–1853) and the last member of the Whig Party to hold the office of president.

Both cannot be correct.--90.208.224.173 (talk) 15:31, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Why not? Fat&amp;Happy (talk) 15:42, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Have you read the article? Fillmore became President upon the death of Taylor:  he wasn't elected in his own right. Grover cleveland (talk) 01:28, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Should there be a pronunciation guide? I always heard Millard pronounced with emphasis on the Mill, but just saw movie "Goodbye, My Lady" and Walter Brennan pronounced it with emphasis on lard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robinrobin (talk • contribs) 03:37, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 October 2012
There is no means to open a discussion on the talk page, so I am using the edit request option. First, the section on Fillmore's vice-presidency has no sources, which makes its authenticity suspect. Second, the section includes a reference to Senator Seward being a member of Taylor's cabinet, which is impossible under the US Constitution; unlike the UK and many other parliamentary systems, the American executive and legislative branches may not "mix." The statement about Seward, incidentally, is not found anywhere else in the two most pertinent Wikipedia files, e.g., neither under Zachary Taylor nor under Seward. This error in the text raises the possibility that the entire section is not written by anyone actually knowledgable about the topic.

Kip Swego (talk) 13:37, 24 October 2012 (UTC)


 * That paragraph was added in March 2007. Sbailey09 added many paragraphs to this article at that time. It seems like the unsourced part about Seward should certainly go. - Ttwaring (talk) 14:32, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Churn and change (talk) 22:43, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

was he the first president that did not own slaves ?
I often wonder why writers of these articles feel the need to share the presidents ranking in history (or by "historians") at the end of these presidential intros. What possible relevence does this have to historical fact? Feels biased. Let this facts speak for themselves and quit the propaganda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.83.183.198 (talk) 16:14, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

http://home.nas.com/lopresti/ps.htm


 * Not at all. The second President, John Adams, was not a slave-owner.   Will Beback    talk    21:30, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Not to mention John Quincy Adams. 71.45.59.193 (talk) 05:45, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Millard Fillmore grammar problem
Please change second sentence in first paragraph from:  As Vice President, he became Presidency after the death of President Zachary Taylor.

To: As vice president, he became president after the death of President Zachary Taylor.

Maybe should read: He served as vice president until the death of President Zachary Taylor at which time Fillmore succeeded Taylor as president of the United States.

65.35.48.84 (talk) 01:12, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

65.35.48.84 (talk) 01:16, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

I've reverted to the previous version of the sentence. - Ttwaring (talk) 02:53, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2014
succession

81.109.187.16 (talk) 21:27, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. (t) Josve05a  (c) 21:47, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

False date
His daugther died in July 1854 and not in August --89.12.61.148 (talk) 21:28, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for that info? --Bejnar (talk) 22:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Mary Abigail Fillmore at Find A Grave. The gravestone photo reads July 26, 1854.
 * Millard Fillmore: Constructive Statesman, Defender of the Constitution by William Elliot Griffis (1915) also indicates July 26, 1854 is the correct date.
 * If I had to guess, because the death happened late in the month at a time when many newspapers were weeklies or twice monthly, the death probably happened in July and was reported on in August. But whether that guess is right or not, I think July 26, 1854 is the correct date of death for Mary Abigail Fillmore.
 * I hope this helps.
 * Billmckern (talk) 20:53, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2014
Change "Millard was the second of nine children and the eldest son." to "Filmore was the second of nine children and the eldest son." Because Millard was Filmore's mother.

Marty567 (talk) 23:32, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: Changed to, "He was the second of nine children and the eldest son". Anupmehra  - Let's talk!  00:13, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Reputation
What this article omits is that for many years Millard Fillmore, deservedly or not, has been the punch-line for a lot of jokes. For example, on an episode of the tv series "That Girl", Marlo Thomas buys one in a series of jigsaw puzzles of presidential portraits; she discovers when she finishes the puzzle that it is of Millard Fillmore -- "No wonder it had been marked down," she comments. IIRC, the point is that Fillmore is the most obscure of the US Presidents. Of course, the bitch will be finding a reliable source to support my subjective impression. -- llywrch (talk) 15:54, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Name pronounciation:
Is it pronounced "Mill-ard" or "Mill-erd" ? Mo Rocca asked this question on Late Night with David Letterman. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 05:32, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

American Party "membership"
The article as of now states in the header and in the body that Fillmore did not actually join the American Party, despite being their nominee for President, citing one historian's work. The opposite is also stated or implied at times. The article should have a more neutral point of view reflecting whatever differences in opinion there may be among historians at large.

45.48.229.204 (talk) 21:04, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I tried to fix it. Nevins says that he was not a nativist and never had an official or public member of the K-N. Gienapp says he was secretly a member but almost no one at the time knew it. Rjensen (talk) 01:56, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

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Plagarism
Large portions of this article are direct copies of text from the official White House biography. This doesn't violate any copyright, as far as I know, because publications by the federal government are not copyrighted. However, proper attribution should be given.

Those portions include the paragraph beginning "Fillmore presided over the Senate during..." and the entire text of the "Presidency" section.

I must agree that this is indeed partially plagiarized and Whitehouse.gov should get some credit. -Programmer8
 * Attribution added. Hoppyh (talk) 20:19, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've removed it. The comments predate the rewrite of this article in 2016. No doubt a few phrases survive somewhere, but it is not based any longer on the White House bio.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:45, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

National Figure section
I have just reviewed the section and am questioning the accuracy of its name. It seemed to me more reflective of success at the state level. Thoughts? Hoppyh (talk) 19:39, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm open to a change but remember it was different from the last time he was in Albany as people knew about him and he was a possible candidate for vice president.--Wehwalt (talk) 04:11, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Copy edit concluded
I have finished my review, and enjoyed it. I hope I didn’t muck things up too much. There’s always a little dance we do between good narrative and accuracy, I guess. Let me know if there’s anything else that you think needs attention. As you may know, work going on at GW to prep him for a FA nom. They can always use your involvement. And always a pleasure, pal. . Hoppyh (talk) 14:58, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that. I will examine Washington.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:54, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I would appreciate your observations, if any. Thanks. Hoppyh (talk) 19:47, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Alleged Authorization of Force by Perry
Hello friends. The section on "Foreign Relations" contains the following text: "Fillmore and Webster dispatched Commodore Matthew C. Perry to open Japan to relations with the outside world, by force if necessary." My understanding is that the US government expressly forbade Perry to use force or threats except in self-defense and that, although Perry ultimately did purposely show off US power in what may clearly have been a threatening way, he was ultra vires in doing so. The Bahles citation given at the end of the following sentence does not mention any authorization for the use of force. It is also my understanding that the primary purpose of the first mission was not trade but the treatment of lost US mariners and permission of US ships to stop in Japan to buy fuel and supplies. Trade was a secondary purpose. Accordingly, unless it can be substantiated with further sources, I believe the phrase "by force if necessary" should be deleted from the article. Thanks for your attention. Gunnermanz (talk) 08:52, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Fair enough.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:09, 3 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Gunnermanz (talk) 02:48, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

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✅ Twofingered Typist (talk) 15:49, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Much obliged.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:31, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Poor cabinet box
It misses the original cabinet members and is not useful compared to the more accurate one in the presidency article. Rjensen (talk) 02:47, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You mean Taylor's cabinet members that Fillmore fired? There's doubt that they actually served under Fillmore, more than trivially.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * they in fact held the top roles in most major offices while Fillmore was president. For an article that features trivia that is a problem. Rjensen (talk) 15:26, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Anyway, if the box is an issue I don't have strong views on it. Odds are someone restores it or a similar one.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:25, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

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