Talk:Millie Small/Archive 1

Date of Birth
This text was at Millie Small. I haven't merged it because it contradicts what's there. Someone should check her birthdate. Tuf-Kat 05:08, September 11, 2005 (UTC)


 * ''Millie Small (born October 4, 1946 Clarendon, Jamaica), is famous for her 1964 hit single, a cover version of Barbie Gaye's "My Boy Lollipop".
 * Ah - I didn't notice the other article - it wasn't linked from Millie (which is about a dog).. Secretlondon 10:42, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

An anonymous, one-time user has changed the year back to 1946. The Caribbean Hall of Fame agrees with him, but it's not clear whether 10/6/46 is June or October. However, the 1942 Births category remains. Can we establish her actual date of birth?

Also, I suspect that 'Dolly May' was a stage name rather than part of her real name.

Her Birth date is 1946 (I was the anon poster) - refer the Jamaica Gleaner article on her 60th birthday. Changed it again and corrected the year reference Ian oli 11:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Grant 12:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * See the most recently quoted (and researched) birth detail information as of 18 September 2006.


 * Derek R Bullamore 22:59, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

The main article might be benefited by the addition of a photo / image
I added two of her album covers, and used one of them for her infobox image. - cgilbert(talk 15:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Title
I was wondering why the article is at "Millie (singer)" rather than "Millie Small". While the cover of her 2004 cd just billed her as "Millie", I don't see anything indicating she's totally dropped her last name; the more recent article on her 60th birthday refers to her by it. Unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, I'd suggest moving the article to "Millie Small". Thoughts, comments? -- Infrogmation 15:20, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Not unless Prince gets moved to Prince Nelson etc. She was known as Millie - simple as that. Obviously her surname warrants a mention, but I think it is unlikely a casual observer would put Millie Small into the 'search' box.


 * "Simple as that"? Really, more ignorant than arrogant, or vice versa? So the thousands of DJ's who announced "'My Boy Lollipop' by Millie Small" were deluded? There's only one Aretha, but after "Aretha Arrives" did her name stop being Aretha Franklin? I'm thrilled that Commander Millie Small is so celebrated that she can be identified by her first name only. But the fact is, she recorded "My Boy Lollop" and "Sweet William" under the name by which her earliest and longest fans know and love her--and look her up. Jackaroodave (talk) 07:10, 26 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Derek R Bullamore 17:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think the comparison to Prince quite gets it, as AFAIK he didn't have multi million sellers under the name "Prince Nelson". The 45 rpm record of "My Boy Lollipop" issued in the USA, at least, credits the artist as "Millie Small".  (Perhaps how she was creditied when and where should be in the article.) Cheers, -- Infrogmation 18:20, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

i'll just say i found this by looking for "millie small". it was a surprise to me to find out others referred to her simply as "millie". not to mention most documentaries i've seen about ska or jamaican roots music refers to her as "millie small". so i'd suggest changing it. -user: angusisgone@gmail (sorry don't know how this part works) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.123.79.227 (talk) 04:02, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Birgitta
I removed the below from the article as unclear or in the wrong context. No info given on "a song based on the same tune"? If it is a reference to "My Boy Lollipop" it presumably belongs in that article. -- Infrogmation 00:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Icelandic singer Birgitta released a song based on the same tune, but with different lyrics. Her song was called "Ósk Mín Skærasta" (roughly translated as: "Wish My Diminishment").

Fair use rationale for Image:Millie Small Time Will Tell.jpg
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Fair use rationale for Image:Millie Small My Boy Lollipop.jpg
Image:Millie Small My Boy Lollipop.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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Parents, origins and place of birth
I was wondering this after reading some comments on one of her videos on YouTube. One guy wrote that she was an Arawak descendant and other denied and said that she was 100% Jamaican from Clarendon Parish and she is actually living in UK.

Does anyone confirm this?

3 July 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.193.37.214 (talk) 16:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What would "100% Jamaican" mean? The population of Jamaica includes many people of Chinese, Indian, and African descent, and the island's original population was Taino/Arawak, so "100% Jamaican" could mean any combination of these backgrounds. I wouldn't take too much notice of what people say in YouTube comments as they're often pretty ignorant and grossly offensive. According to my sources she was born in a rural part of Clarendon Parish.--Michig (talk) 16:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yup, and as far as I am aware, she has lived in the UK for decades now.


 * Derek R Bullamore (talk) 17:39, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

There is also no or unclear information about when she originally moved to the UK. Late in the article, it says she "returned" to the UK after living in Singapore, but the article never says that she was ever specifically living there. Yes, she recorded a song there, but was that the extent of her visit? When did she move from Jamaica to Singapore or did she move to Singapore from London? Her timeline ought to be cleared up a bit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.177.10.179 (talk) 22:28, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * You make very good points, and the article is undoubtedly somewhat hazy in this regard. The main problem here is locating reliable sources that provide hard evidence of the passage of time.  Difficult given the time span involved, and the fact that her profile has not been high since the 1960s (almost half a century ago).  It is not likely that a reliable publication such as The Times would have plotted her movements over such a lengthy period, given her lack of 'notability' for the majority of that time.  All I would say is that you (whoever you are) may be as equipped, or ill-equipped, as anyone else is in trying to track down some referenced information.  Put another way, Wikipedia is totally reliant on its editors in providing citable information - it does not possess some 'crystal ball' or 'experienced gurus' who can turn up facts in a nano second.  Thank you for your input; please feel free to contribute further if you can unearth 'evidence' to support any statement.


 * Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:23, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 19 July 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. Armbrust The Homunculus 11:14, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Millie (singer) → Millie Small – This singer is known as Millie Small, not just "Millie". Zacwill16 ( talk ) 11:34, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:NATURAL. Sovereign Sentinel (talk) 17:35, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Support - Current title is ambiguous, which is something WP:COMMONNAMES discourages. Also, WP:NCP encourages using fairly often-used surnames, so let's do that. --George Ho (talk) 19:42, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


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One Hit Wonder
The article currently reads "Small was not a one-hit wonder. For example, subsequent recordings such as "Sweet William" and "Bloodshot Eyes", both charted in the UK at numbers 30 and 48 respectively." Generally an artist that follows up a No. 2 record with a No. 30 and a No. 48 would be considered the definition of a one-hit wonder. The current definition on the wikipedia page for one-hit wonder states: "performers with only one Top 40 hit single or [...] having one signature song which overshadows their other work." I think you would be hard pushed to find anyone who can remember her other two "hits". 31.54.33.97 (talk) 19:52, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It's debatable... but I've changed it to a more neutral wording anyway. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:22, 28 January 2016 (UTC)