Talk:Millwright

Should this article be split
As a contributor to this page, it seems to me that maybe the page should be split into two categories, Millwright (traditional) and Millwright (modern). The reason for saying this is that the two jobs are so far apart from each other now, despite both having the same job title. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mjroots (talk • contribs) 11:55, 23 February 2007 (UTC).
 * I hope my addition of subheadings deals with your complaint adequately. I do not think there is a need to split it into two articles.  Peterkingiron 23:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Peter. Wasn't so much a complaint than a need for differentiation between the two. Looks much beter now. Mjroots 10:52, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, there is no reason to split the page. In the trades there has been long history of division of labor by worktype. Although the work has changed over the centuries the basic worktype is still the same. Carpenters may no longer necessarily work with wood and masons do not all work with stone. The work type they do today is still comparable to the work done in ancient times. Millwrights still work with industrial machinery, whether that be constructing a water screw and water wheel out of wood or wiring a 3 phase generator into a centrifugal pump.Granite07 04:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Union Links
If we are to allow links to union pages on this topic then we should allow all commercial site links which of course we will not allow.

therefore Iam proposing the removal of all union based links. Please commment.

Being that I am not so sure how these discussions work I will remove these commercial links on Monday the 27th of Oct. 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebeing (talk • contribs) 22:29, 24 October 2008
 * Three links deprecated in WP:EL removed: no need to wait. --Old Moonraker (talk) 21:36, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I fully support the removal. Any further additions that fail EL should also be removed and a message left on the editors talk page. Mjroots (talk) 06:28, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Union links would not necessarily be inappropriate on notability or relevancy grounds, especially if there is a Wikipedia article about the union.--Jpbrenna (talk) 14:08, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Since this involves a trade, a link to a trades union specific to that trade might be appropriate. HOWEVER, any trades union will usually operate only in one country. This would suggest that there ought to be a link to a union in each country. That would overload the article. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:16, 25 April 2009 (UTC

Is there anyone training Millwrights other than the UBC??? I am talking Millwrights not Iron-workers saying they are Millwrights. 75.120.139.216 (talk) 02:00, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Globalize
Outwith the U.S. "millwright" has only the limited meaning at present contained in the article "History" section. This should ould be expanded by a contributor with the requisite knowledge, or pehaps linked to a spinoff article. It follows that to a reader in, for example, England such activities as "arc welding, mig welding and oxyacetylene cutting" read very strangely in the context. Sorry, it's beyond my level of expertise to make such changes; I came here only as a "customer"! --Old Moonraker (talk) 14:20, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Afterthought: I see from the above that this isn't the first time the point's been raised but no, the fix didn't do it for me. --Old Moonraker (talk) 14:22, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. As is so often the case on Wikipedia, the article presents the subject matter as if it applies globally when of course the material only applies to the USA, a population of just over 300 million out of a global population of about 7 billion, so less than 5% of the world's population. In the English speaking world outside the USA, the term 'millwright' only applies historically and to a tiny handful of those who restore and maintain historic mills. The tradesman or tradeswoman who may be referred to still as a 'millwright' in the USA goes under completely different names in the UK and Australia depending upon their apprenticeship and subsequent trade qualifications. 101.163.21.119 (talk) 16:56, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Rigging
If you follow the current rigging link in the training section, you come to an article about nautical rigging. At the present time there does not seem to be an article that covers rigging in the sense of a machinery or factory rigger, the kind of rigging that I assume a millwright would want to master. Nautical and industrial riggers have some similarities, but they are not the same. --AJim (talk) 00:30, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I could probably put together an industrial rigging article. I'm a certified millwright in Levack, Ontario, Canada and have a good deal of materials on the subject. Here's an intro if you've got any comments or questions, I'd welcome them.

Rigging: Industrial

Rigging is a term used to describe the ropes, slings, shackles, eye bolts and any other lifting devices used to move industrial equipment. An industrial rigger can be employed to move almost anything: Steelwork, Pumps, Motors, Piping, Shipping Containers, Vehicles and almost anything else that is heavy.

An industrial rigger is competent with a variety of skills that involve lifting heavy loads. These skills include calculating load values, inspecting lifting equipment, determining safe weight limits for a given arrangement and fall protection. In addition to understanding the principles of safely lifting heavy loads a rigger needs to have a good understanding of the legislation and codes for lifting in their jurisdiction. Often, a crane operator needs to be a qualified rigger.

Additional Headings Proposed:

Fall Protection -Travel Restraint -Fall Arrest -Anchor Points

Lifting Devices -Rope -Wire Rope -Chain -Slings -Shackles -Eye Bolts -Spreader Bars -Trapeze -Engineered Lifting Rigs

Safe Working Load -Terms -Testing -Calculations

Load Values -Center of Gravity -Density -Lifting Points

Directing A Lift -Hand Signals -Radio Communication -Special Circumstances

Schoengen (talk) 15:12, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The article Rigging (material handling) exists, I changed this article to point to that instead. That article could definitely be expanded though.  --Hirsutism (talk) 19:03, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

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