Talk:Milner's Kindergarten

A link to Peter Perry
More information about Peter Perry can be found in the Wikitia (an imbedded form of Wikipedia) subject "Peter Perry (Colonialist)". It can be found by a website search.

A song
Below are the lyrics to the song, "Oliver's Army", by Elvis Costello:

Don't start that talking, I could talk all night. My mind goes sleepwalking, While I'm putting the world to right. Call careers information, have you got yourself an occupation?

Oliver's army is here to stay, Oliver's army are on their way, And I would rather be anywhere else but here today.

There was a Checkpoint Charlie, he didn't crack a smile. But it's no laughing party, When you've been on the murder mile. Only takes one itchy trigger, One more widow, one less white nigger.

Oliver's army is here to stay, Oliver's army are on their way, And I would rather be anywhere else but here today.

Hong Kong is up for grabs, London is full of Arabs. We could be in Palestine, overrun by the Chinese line. With the boys from the Mersey and the Thames and the Tyne! But there's no danger, It's a professional career. Though it could be arranged, with just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear. If you're out of luck or out of work, we could send you to Johannesburg.

Oliver's army is here to stay, Oliver's army are on their way, And I would rather be anywhere else but here today. And I would rather be anywhere else but here today. And I would rather be anywhere else but here today. Oh oh oh oh, oh oh oh Oh oh oh oh, oh oh oh

Here's a link to the song:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrjHz5hrupA

The song must be about F.S. Oliver, a loyal ally to the Empire and its cause. Most important, who is Elvis Costello? A diehard Empire man!


 * Very funny. It refers to Oliver Cromwell, who is - rightly or wrongly - demonised in Irish national mythology. As with all the greatest songs (and opera), the cracking good tune is far more important than the inanity of the lyrics.Paulturtle (talk) 01:29, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

A Fairy Tale
Is there a place for this book on the main page? Link

News story's about the Kindergarten
I apologize, but since 2021, access to The Times archive section has been limited to paid subscribers. The subject matter and dates below are correct, and for a small fee, the links below should be retrievable.

From, "The Times"...

President Carter and South Africa:

South African protest crackdown: 10/22/77

The UK joins the UN on arms sales ban: [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/archive/article/1977-10-29/1/1.html?region=global#start%3D1976-12-31%26end%3D1979-12-31%26terms%3DCarter%20South%20Africa%26back%3D/tto/archive/find/Carter+South+Africa/w:1976-12-31%7E1979-12-31/1%26prev%3D/tto/archive/frame/goto/Carter+South+Africa/w:1976-12-31%7E1979-12-31/7%26next%3D/tto/archive/frame/goto/Carter+South+Africa/w:1976-12-31%7E1979-12-31/9 ''10/29/77, pg. 1] & [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/archive/page/1977-10-29/5.html?region=global#start%3D1976-12-31%26end%3D1979-12-31%26terms%3DCarter%20South%20Africa%26back%3D/tto/archive/find/Carter+South+Africa/w:1976-12-31%7E1979-12-31/1%26prev%3D/tto/archive/frame/goto/Carter+South+Africa/w:1976-12-31%7E1979-12-31/7%26next%3D/tto/archive/frame/goto/Carter+South+Africa/w:1976-12-31%7E1979-12-31/9 pg. 5'']

Africa and the Cold War: 3/27/78

Carter's trip to Africa: 4/4/78

The Kindergarten Influence:

Advertisement for F S Oliver's book, "Alexander Hamilton": 6/4/06

A biography (book) about Philip Kerr: 3/10/60

Lord Brand's review of "The Unification of South Africa, 1902-1910": 4/8/60

A full page news story: [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/archive/article/1974-07-13/7/1.html?region=global#start%3D1894-12-31%26end%3D1984-12-31%26terms%3DMilner%20Kindergarten%26back%3D/tto/archive/find/Milner+Kindergarten/w:1894-12-31%7E1984-12-31/1%26next%3D/tto/archive/frame/goto/Milner+Kindergarten/w:1894-12-31%7E1984-12-31/2 ''7/13/74, pg. 7], & pg.10, first 3 columns''

About the Kindergarten (5 columns): 5/2/77

Kindergarten Personnel:

1) Obituary of Sir John Dove: 4/19/34

2) Obituary for J F (Peter) Perry: 1/9/35

On Patrick Duncan accepting the Governor General's Office: 11/18/36

3) Obituary of William Lionel Hichens: 10/17/40

4) A news story & Obituary of Lord Lothian (Phillip Kerr): 4/25/39, 12/13/40, pg. 4, and [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/archive/article/1940-12-13/5/13.html?region=global#start%3D1894-12-31%26end%3D1984-12-31%26terms%3DMilner%20Kindergarten%26back%3D/tto/archive/find/Milner+Kindergarten/w:1894-12-31%7E1984-12-31/2%26prev%3D/tto/archive/frame/goto/Milner+Kindergarten/w:1894-12-31%7E1984-12-31/19%26next%3D/tto/archive/frame/goto/Milner+Kindergarten/w:1894-12-31%7E1984-12-31/21 ''pg. 5] Obituary of Lord Selborne: 2/27/42''

5) Obituary of Geoffrey Dawson: 11/8/44

6) Obituary of Sir Herbert Baker: 2/6/46, Appreciation: 2/12/46

7) Obituary of Lionel Curtis: 11/25/55

8) Obituary for Hugh A. Wyndham (Lord Leconfield): 7/8/63

9) Obituary of Sir Patrick Duncan: 7/19/43, & his son 6/5/67

10) Obituary of Sir Dougal Malcom: 8/31/55

11) Obituary of Lord Brand: 8/24/63

12) Obituary for Richard "Dick" Feetham: 11/8/65

Others...

John Buchan receives a medical diploma (to be a medical officer of health): 10/17/01

Obituary of John Buchan: 2/12/40, tributes: 2/13/40, 2/15/40 & 2/17/40

Obituary of Arthur Williams: 1/7/50

Obituary of George Fiddes: [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/archive/article/1936-12-24/1/3.html?region=global#start%3D1936-11-30%26end%3D1937-01-31%26terms%3DGeorge%20Fiddes%26back%3D/tto/archive/find/George+Fiddes/w:1936-11-30%7E1937-01-31/1%26prev%3D/tto/archive/frame/goto/George+Fiddes/w:1936-11-30%7E1937-01-31/2 ''12/24/36, pg. 1], [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/archive/article/1936-12-24/12/12.html?region=global#start%3D1936-11-30%26end%3D1937-01-31%26terms%3DGeorge%20Fiddes%26back%3D/tto/archive/find/George+Fiddes/w:1936-11-30%7E1937-01-31/o:date/1%26next%3D/tto/archive/frame/goto/George+Fiddes/w:1936-11-30%7E1937-01-31/o:date/2 pg. 12] & [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/archive/article/1936-12-24/14/7.html?region=global#start%3D1936-11-30%26end%3D1937-01-31%26terms%3DGeorge%20Fiddes%26back%3D/tto/archive/find/George+Fiddes/w:1936-11-30%7E1937-01-31/o:date/1%26prev%3D/tto/archive/frame/goto/George+Fiddes/w:1936-11-30%7E1937-01-31/o:date/2 pg. 14''].

Obituary for Sir John Hanbury-Williams: 10/21/46 & 10/24/46.

Obituary for Mr. Main Walrond: 11/16/27.

Obituary for Sir Fabian Ware: 4/29/49.

Obituary for William Monypenny: 11/25/12.

Non Kindergarteners:

Obituary of Lord Basil Temple Blackwood: 7/11/17, 9/12/17, 11/8/17, 11/13/17, and 11/14/17.

Obituary for Sir Hamilton Goold-Adams: 4/16/20

Obituary for Sir Henry Wilson: [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/archive/page/1922-06-23/10.html?region=global#start%3D1922-06-20%26end%3D1922-06-30%26terms%3DHenry%20Wilson%26back%3D/tto/archive/find/Henry+Wilson/w:1922-06-20%7E1922-06-30/1%26next%3D/tto/archive/frame/goto/Henry+Wilson/w:1922-06-20%7E1922-06-30/2 ''6/23/22, pg. 10] & [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/archive/article/1922-06-23/18/1.html?region=global#start%3D1922-06-20%26end%3D1922-06-30%26terms%3DHenry%20Wilson%26back%3D/tto/archive/find/Henry+Wilson/w:1922-06-20%7E1922-06-30/1%26next%3D/tto/archive/frame/goto/Henry+Wilson/w:1922-06-20%7E1922-06-30/2 pg. 18'']

Met With The King
I've removed, for the time being, a claim that Milner "met with the King" before his trip to South Africa in the late 1890s. No way of telling if he met with Queen Victoria or (less likely) Bertie, Prince of Wales - the future Edward VII. Fee free to check and add back. Paulturtle (talk) 01:27, 22 February 2023 (UTC)