Talk:Milton Keynes University

Removal of Open University and University Campus Milton Keynes
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 * The most important and only university in MK is the OU.

You subsequently wrote on my talk page that


 * I reverted your edit because I believe you were being too literal. Right now, if someone wants to know about the university in Milton Keynes, then the most likely target is (as it has been for over 50 years), the OU. If and when MK:U comes into existence, it can take over per wp:common name, with a about hatnote.


 * Btw, if you know anyone connected with the MK:U project, perhaps you might advise them that this name can never have an article on Wikipedia because U is the Macedonian article about the letter U.

I do see precision in titles is an important part of WP:COMMONNAME. The worry I have here is it looks a bit iffy with respect to WP:POV and WP:NWFCTM, and just plain wrong with respect to WP:PARTIAL?

Wikipedia's guidelines on disambiguation pages is at WP:DISAMBIG. My understanding is that disambiguation pages are for pages that could share a common name only, and the links you want to include are 'partial' matches prohibited by WP:PARTIAL. How do you see it please? I don't see inclusion - or otherwise - as about what's most 'important'. Are you able to demonstrate any reliable sources that show that either the Open University or University Campus Milton Keynes is known by the name Milton Keynes University, please? If not, why do you feel they do belong here? My feeling is that the only people typing 'Milton Keynes University' in are going to be looking for the Milton Keynes University project or Milton Keynes University Hospital. People looking for the Open University will search for that by its name - as I'm sure you'll appreciate, the Open University markets itself for its distance learning, and its physical location is not normally prominent in its messaging.

How do you feel about this? The Parson's Cat (talk) 14:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Don't forget also wp:think of the reader. Visitors don't always know in advance what they are looking for. There is no such institution as "Milton Keynes University" so in your ideal world, no-one should ever see this page in the first place. Angels and heads of pins come to mind. The value of the article is to enlighten the confused.


 * A compromise solution is to put the OU and UCMK in a See also? I would be happy with that. John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:31, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response.


 * Sorry, I really feel that doesn't address my concerns and would still be in direct violation of WP:PARTIAL. WP:WF does not say anything specific here - the reason we have policies on article names at all is to help the reader.  Your original motives appear to have been WP:POV related.  (You'll agree that you assumed that my edits were something to do with 'MK:U', and you talked about the Open University being 'most important.')  What about the Wikipedia policies and guidelines I highlighted to you, please?


 * As for existence, it would appear from your original page there are two WP:NOTABLE things called Milton Keynes University that do exist - the hospital and a project to launch a new university.


 * Also, if you're happy to say, what was your original motivation for creating this disambiguation, please? You say that 'no-one should ever see this page in the first place'.  There's an inconsistency here - unless you now feel this page should be deleted?


 * The Parson's Cat (talk) 16:06, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Further to the above, I've had a think and I wonder if I can suggest a solution, please? Why not replace this page with a redirect to Milton Keynes?  That page lists all the relevant institutions and wouldn't fall foul of WP:PARTIAL?  It would also do what you want? The Parson's Cat (talk) 16:43, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , yes, go ahead with that. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:56, 9 August 2020 (UTC)