Talk:Mincemeat

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Merge?
But mince pies and mince meat are ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.235.226.86 (talk) 16:11, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

This article, and fruitmince should be merged. In my experience fruitmince is a vegetarian version of mincemeat.

A couple of other points - (i) clarify the difference between mincemeat and minced meat? (ii)while it's true that meat (other than, sometimes, suet) has disappeared from commercial mincemeat products, many homemade recipes still include beef, see example 139.163.138.14 02:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

It is arguable that mincemeat ever included meat. The word MEAT orginally just meant FOOD, (Minced Food). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.136.220.190 (talk) 12:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the unsigned comment above. I've always known it as being a minced (as in ground) mixture of raisins, apples, suet etc, and certinly no meat. The article should probably refer to mincemeat as being just that and possibly that earlier recipes included meat. Dutchdavey 13:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The idea that spices were used to cover "off" flavours is just not supported by evidence. Also, in response to the two comments above, 15th-19th century, and even some 20th century recipes _do_ include meat. Beastiepaws (talk) 07:24, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I really don't think this article should be merged with mincemeat- There is a HUGE difference between MINCEMEAT and MINCE PIES (mince pies are christmassy and mincemeat is used in shepherds pie and cottage pie!) ;| ANGRY!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.18.31.153 (talk) 15:36, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Daftest merge suggestion I have seen in ages! Certainly both articles should refer to the other, the difference for those where english is not their native tongue will get confused, but today they are very different items of food. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 03:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree they should be merged. An article for the pie and an article for the *filling* is just overkill. Beastiepaws (talk) 09:39, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

There are separate articles for apple and apple pie - why not this? I think if anything the articles just need to be expanded, as they do have similarities as they stand, but I see no reason for them to merge.


 * Because apples have about a hundred uses other than apple pie. Mincemeat really doesn't. Beastiepaws (talk) 19:05, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

No merge: both articles could be expanded and are currently quite extensive, keep Both  Captain n00dle \ Talk 14:29, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Preservation
The notes in this article about food preservation are incorrect (or at least highly misleading). There is little, if any, evidence to suggest that making pies containing fruit and meat was used as a method of preservation in medieval Europe. --Doc (talk) 20:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed! Beastiepaws (talk) 01:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The two recipes cited in the mincemeat entry need a source. Mincemeat recipes have changed a lot over the centuries, and it's important to know the dates and sources of recipes so that culinary historians and others can keep track of what ingredients were being used when. I agree with the two previous writers: it does not seem that mincemeat was made as a preservative initially' however, since the combination of sugar, acid ingredients such as lemon or orange juice, alcohol, suet and dried fruits is full or preservatives, in subsequent centuries (e.g. nineteenth and early twentieth) it was made as a preserve -- at least in England -- when it was common to make a year's supply using the apples that were cheap in the autumn and also green tomatoes that refused to ripen. (User: Claire Hopley)Claire Hopley (talk) 18:24, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * They *have* sources. The 16th century one appears in A Propre new booke of Cokery (1545) and the 19th century one in Mrs. Beeton's Book of Household Management (1861). Beastiepaws (talk) 00:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

They shouldn't be merged as they are different items. I agree with the others

Ingredients of Mincemeat
The article states mincemeat used to contain meat; the brand I use, Nonesuch (in the jar), still does. 2603:6080:2D40:F4C1:290A:A3AE:65DB:2A2B (talk) 23:40, 11 January 2022 (UTC)