Talk:Minigames of Final Fantasy

Redirected Pages
I think it's a good idea to create this page to provide a complete list of minigames in Final Fantasy series. However, I am not too sure if we should redirect individual pages to this page (therefore, losing the original pages) as the original pages have more information most of the time. And it would not be appropriate for this page to contain detailed information for all minigames. I would appreciate that if the discussion is carried out before ALL links are redirected --Cyktsui 07:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The information that is in those pages that it not in this page is mostly step by step instructions on how to play the games, as well as strategies for winning. Tetra Master's article was longer than the gamefaqs (quite complete) faq about the game.  I only wish I was kidding.  Basically, the original pages needed cutting down and cleaning up, and since that's what we did when we merged them together, what use do the original pages serve?  --PresN 07:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia can't be a game guide, so we aren't allowed to provide such detailed instructions of games, unless they are extremely notable (and even that is debated). Trust me, we all came to this site wanting to explain every detail of our favorite topics, but when we realized Wikipedia's true purpose, we began to look at all available resources and meanings for those resources. Wikibooks would be great for detailed, step-by-step instructions for every minigame; Wikipedia is not meant for that purpose. &mdash; Deckill e r 03:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Deckiller: I agree with you to a degree, Wikipedia should not have step for step instructions or go into extreme detail, but I don't think that that is the purpose of this article. This is more of a summary, a high-level overview of the various minigames that have appeared in the series.
 * I was referring to the individual minigame articles, not the list (I pretty much recommended its creation). &mdash; Deckill e r 20:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Still to do
The lead needs to be, well...written, refs need to be found, and the prose needs a lot of work, as it an amalgamation of whatever good/bad writing was in the original articles and my own clumsy attempts. I'll start on that tomorrow. --PresN 07:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I've never actually played Sphere Break, so someone who has, please look over it to make sure that I'm not wrong about how the game goes, the original article was really confusing. --PresN 07:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Chocobo section
This article needs a section on Chocobos. There was breeding in Final Fantasy VII and Chocobo's Hot & Cold in Final Fantasy IX - these will be the main focus, but their use in other games should be mentioned. There should be a small introduction onto what Chocobos actually are (birds), and their main use (travel). Try to iterate on the development and real-world impact. --TheEmulatorGuy 01:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know if FF7's chocobo raising counted as a "minigame" per se, but maybe the chocobo racing, so yeah. And Chocobo Hot & Cold could use a section, it's just not here because it didn't have an article to be merged.  --PresN 05:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Minigames of Final Fantasy 7
FFVII is quite under-represented here. There are a ton of mini-games in FF7, ranging from the small and fun(Skiing, submarine minefield) to the ongoing important Fort Condor(Best candidate). Depending on how you define "game" chocobo raising could be listed as well. --Rgb9000 20:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC) FF9's Chocobo Hot and Cold is going to be added, as well as FF7's Chocobo raising/racing, when I get around to it. --PresN 22:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Gold Saucer and Ft. Condor probably need to be mentioned for this article to meet the "broad in its coverage" criterion at WP:WIAGA. &mdash; Deckiller 16:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup, FFVII chocobo racing definitely needs to be here. Best minigame of all times.--SidiLemine 12:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Why is this considered a fictional game?
They are minigames, but they exist, don't they?--189.153.90.197 00:54, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, if you take the cards game, or the arcades, or the blitzball, they are all games being played in a game; hence the term "fictional games"--SidiLemine 12:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Failed Good Article nomination
I have reviewed this article, and feel that it does not meet the criteria for good articles on the following grounds:


 * 1) The bulk of the material comes from an in-universe perspective, in violation of WP:FICT. Describing the mechanics of various minigames does not establish a larger context.
 * 2) The larger context is actively missing from this article - there are only a few sentences devoted to anything that takes place outside of the fictional worlds of Final Fantasy. Most egregious is the reception section, which notes reviews from only one website.
 * 3) The material is functionally a list, making it unsuitable for GA-status. There is no larger overview of the role minigames play in Final Fantasy games, their imitators, what they contribute to the basic feel of the games, etc. This is really a sequence of mini-articles on a couple of minigames.
 * 4) The lead is poorly written, spending too much time explaining Final Fantasy and not enough anticipating the rest of the article.

Good luck in revising the article, and I look forward to reading it again. Phil Sandifer 19:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

edits
Did a few big time edits to this one. Saw it listed on the prjects to-do board and saw it failed GA status. Thought I'd do my part. There was quite a bit on "in universe" viewpoints to fix, but those were the biggest issues. Keep at it. Reason turns rancid 21:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Chocobo World
I have added chocobo world to this article and archived the old talk page. Please go here  for the discussion. -- Noj r (talk) 21:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Snowboarding Comparison.jpg
The image Image:Snowboarding Comparison.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check


 * That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
 * That this article is linked to from the image description page.

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 * Yes, yes, bots need links, whatever. Fixed. --PresN (talk) 06:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Fair-use images
This article has far, far too many fair use images...many more than are needed to illustrate the stuff that's being described, and many more than are justified by the fair use policy (for example, File:Blitzball.jpg doesn't even show the game, it's just freeze-frame of a cutscene). Unless anyone has any objections, I will start FfDing all or most of them soon. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 03:33, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * A new picture here would be ideal. The cut scene is not very helpful.Meatsgains (talk) 22:46, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose that this page be merged into Gameplay of Final Fantasy. My reasoning is that this page is nothing but a bunch of gameplay summaries of the various minigames. No development, little reception, no context in the real world, just "here's how this game works". Gameplay of Final Fantasy covers it all in 5-6 paragraphs, and I think that's more than enough- probably too much.

Dream Focus reverted the initial merge saying that this was where articles are merged to. My responses are 1) Yes, I know, I wrote this article to begin with by merging in a bunch of them and 2) So? The proposed merge just transfers the target to Gameplay of Final Fantasy. I don't think that we as a project are in the business of setting up honeypot articles so that people don't create their own articles.

The article has been tagged as needing cleanup for three years. A year and a half ago, the Square Enix project decided to merge it- it was never done, and that's probably too long ago to count as consensus, I suppose. I don't think the article can be fixed- and I know for certain that no one is going to fix it even if it could be. What does everyone else think? -- Pres N  23:22, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What a small number of people discussed elsewhere, without involving anyone here of this discussion, is irrelevant. Also, a very large number of articles have pointless tags for cleanup and whatnot that are around for years, most people not taking them seriously.   D r e a m Focus  23:35, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose The various mini-games do get coverage, they not mentioning them if they weren't notable.  This also shows a key aspect of these bestselling notable and influential games, something people can learn from.  I believe we had this discussion elsewhere for keeping the article sometime ago.  Or perhaps it was for a discussion to merge the various articles to this one.   D r e a m Focus  23:35, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support The information seems mostly connected to gameplay. I never really did see why they had to be split from the general gameplay.Bread Ninja (talk) 23:47, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Actually that minigame page looks rather bloated with excessive gameplay detail on what should be a "mini"game. ∞ 陣  内  Jinnai  00:13, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Support, we don't need to explain how to play each minigame in such detail. Merge into Gameplay with an overview paragraph about "Many FF games feature minigames etc" and perhaps add a brief explanation of the minigames to the main game articles as well. Axem Titanium (talk) 03:02, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Dream Focus's objections would be mollified in a merger as opposed to a redirect, as long as there is a sufficiently detailed minigame section of the gameplay article. I do not believe anyone has yet demonstrated that there are enough reliable sources or notability to justify a whole article. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:59, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Alright, it's been a week, and everyone else is in agreement. I added an intro paragraph to the minigames section of the gameplay article; other than that it already includes all of the summary details and reception for each of the game; it's just leaving out the gameplay details/gameguide content. I think it's too long still, but that article is such a mess that I'm not going to slash out the information just for the sake of doing so. -- Pres N  03:22, 20 October 2011 (UTC)