Talk:Ministry of Public Security (China)

Removed Ministry of Love reference
I edited out the Not to be confused with Ministry of Love from the top of the article. A worthy reference, and worth discussing, but really it's more cheeky than informative. Stretchrr (talk) 14:09, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

assessment
Agreed with below, more images aswell as references needed.--SGGH 15:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Where is this from? It has 'chapter' references -- seems to be from a book. Is this a violation of someone's copyright? And it is not Wikified. --Kaihsu 16:42, 25 Aug 2003 (UTC)

This seems to be from the US Dept of State Area Study of China, which is OK for copyright purposes. It does seem a bit dated.

What I don't understand is the use of the past tense.


 * Police officers are usually unarmed!? The police in China is very very armed.

No they aren't. Most police in the PRC are unarmed.

Roadrunner 09:25, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * No they aren't. Most police in the PRC are unarmed.

Certainly not all police are unarmed, some of the frontline officers such as traffic police are unarmed. My uncle is a policeman in China, he always carries a gun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.17.193.160 (talk) 12:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

on several visits to China have seen very few armed police and most actually carry very minimal equipment altogether (and have been mainly in summer where people are in shirtsleeve order) Actually bus station security guards appear to carry more PPE pouches and bits of kit on web belts than does the average police officer.

This needs to be cited and is probably in the wrong place

 * In the 1980s secret police operations employed agents, informers, and "roving spies." Police surveillance apparently was restricted to probation and parole. Plainclothes agents were posted at bus and railroad stations and at other public places. Police informers denounced "bad elements" and assisted in the surveillance of suspected political criminals. Roving spies were a special category of informants that operated in the factories and work units and were very alert to signs of dissidence or sabotage. Youths aspiring to be Communist Youth League members, or league members aspiring to be party members, sometimes cooperated as informants and agents for the police.

1) need citations 2) This probably should be in the Ministry of State Security. MPS generally doesn't handle most political issues

Roadrunner 09:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The above does not amount to a fact-based statement, but is an outsider's perception, based on guesses informed by assumptions concerning how the system ought to be working, given how it was conceptualized by those who sought to explain it.Villa Giulia (talk) 13:25, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

wrong information, police unarmed??
Not all police are unarmed "This new revolver has appeared in 2006 as a future armament for various elements of Chinese Police which previously were unarmed - such as traffic police, local municipal police etc. Since" Also it was issued in 2006, way back before the olympics I have made the corrections

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.17.193.160 (talk) 12:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Recruitment
I removed the sentence "Most recruits have Communist Youth League backgrounds or are former PLA personnel." because 1) it lacks citation; 2) it is misleading, because the majority of middle school students in PRC are members of Communist Youth League, especially in urban areas. --76.24.50.37 (talk) 06:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Good move!Villa Giulia (talk) 19:38, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

"of the mainland"
Somebody writes "is the principal police authority of the mainland of the People's Republic of China and..." which is poor grammar and factually wrong. I have tried to delete it, but it keeps being put back.Villa Giulia (talk) 18:27, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

New York Times article
Published December 29, 2009: Badagnani (talk) 10:13, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Sources for article expansion

 * China.org's article ("World's Biggest ID Database Complete") on the Ministry's NCIIC database of the hukou system. — LlywelynII  10:36, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Firearms update
Np22 is used by Chinese police. I have an article about this being issued to police for experimental use. Wikipedia keeps deleting my edits saying it is not an reliable source. It is 100% confirmed by police officers.

https://read01.com/oL6y70.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.215.90.79 (talk) 05:55, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

NR-08 is a copy of MP5. Link should be added.

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Merger discussion
Request received to merge articles: Public Security Construction, Public Security Work Bulletin and People's Public Security into Ministry of Public Security (China); dated: June 2020. Proposer's Rationale: All 3 pages comprise of either a single sentence or two, definitely not worthy of an article of its own and its content can be easily added to the page of the Ministry itself. Discuss here. Seloloving (talk) 23:53, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Well for some reason I can't get the template working, so apologies. But as mentioned, the 3 pages on publications by the Ministry comprise of 1 or 2 sentences, I think it would be easy to add a subsection about their publications. Seloloving (talk) 23:53, 22 June 2020 (UTC)


 * There are separate articles on the CIA, FBI, and on the other 15 US intelligence agencies. China is not going to shrink and disappear any time soon. So as summarised in this summary of the PRC intelligence agencies (archive at archive.today), we ought to keep ought to keep separate (but appropriately linked) articles on each of these:
 * MSS
 * MPS
 * PLA includes:
 * JSD (with front organisations China Institute for International Strategic Studies + Institute of International Relations)
 * SSF = Strategic Support Force
 * UFWD(?) or UF(?) = United Front Work Department
 * For obvious reasons, sabotage attempts ought to be expected... The power of Wikipedia is well-known and feared by the PRC authorities.
 * Boud (talk) 10:49, 15 July 2020 (UTC)