Talk:Ministry of Public Security (Poland)/Archive 1

B-class review failed
For WP:POLAND. Reason: insufficient density of references - at least one section has no references. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 18:20, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

B-class review
This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 17:26, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Just added. Check it out. Poeticbent talk 17:00, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * 3.^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m n Krzysztof Szwagrzyk, ed. (Warsaw 2005). "Aparat Bezpieczenstwa w Polsce. Kadra kierownicza. Tom I: 1944–1956 (The Security Service in Poland. Directorate. Volume One: 1944–1956)" (PDF direct download: 3.63 MB). Institute of National Remembrance (IPN). pp. 604. ISBN 83–89078–94–5. http://www.ipn.gov.pl/ftp/pdf/Aparat_kadra_kier_tom%20I.pdf. Retrieved June 3, 2012.
 * 4.^ a b Paweł Piotrowski, red. Anna Mirecka (Warszawa 2008). "Aparat Bezpieczenstwa w Polsce. Kadra kierownicza. Tom III (Volume Three)" (PDF direct download: 2.03 MB). Institute of National Remembrance (IPN). pp. 392. ISBN 978–83–60464–80–9. http://www.ipn.gov.pl/download/1/24925/Aparat_Bezpieczenstwa_tom_III.pdf. Retrieved May 31, 2012.

Problem MBP in the field
There is a problem in the field supervision. The MBP did not supervise the whole field offices all over Poland.
 * 1) MBP headquarters supervised only Voivode Office of Public Security (Wojewódzki Urząd Bezpieczeństwa Publicznego, or WUBP).
 * 2) The rest of field offices (City, District, and the Communal Offices of Public Security) were supervised by WUBP in each offices in Voivodeships of Poland.
 * 3) They were controlled by the First Voivodeship Secretary of the Communist Party.
 * 4) Operational orders for WUBP came from MBP Hq, which then they were passed by the office to lower field offices which were under the WUBP control.

in terms of political responsibility
 * 1) political instructions to the chief of WUBP came from First Voivodeship Secretary of the party, he was also politically responsible for the activities and results of security organs at his Voivodeship territory.

So the organization should look like this
 * MBP
 * WUBP
 * MUBP
 * PUBP
 * GUBP — Preceding unsigned comment added by MX360 (talk • contribs) 05:07, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Please look at the File:MBP Ministry.png. It shows the organization exactly how you say it (MBP*WUBP*MUBP*PUBP*GUBP). Where's the problem? Also, some new citation from a reliable third-party source could definitely help. Poeticbent talk 14:02, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

I made that fille myself on Polish language Wikipedia. Later on when I realized I made a mistake I put the same warning on MBP discussion page or the file itself. Let me check. It is in - MBP talk under the name - MBP Terenowe Org MBP--69.112.5.125 (talk) 08:30, 29 October 2014 (UTC) --MX 08:33, 29 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Please provide working links. I have no clue what you're talking about. Commons file MBP Ministry.png does not have a talk page; nobody ever started it. If you want me to look at Polish Wikipedia, use Inter-wiki links which look like this  pl:insert_name . Thanks, Poeticbent talk 05:00, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

The original one i have created doesn't exist no more. But the current one is exactly the same based on the one I have made. The only thing you can find is under this link - https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyskusja:Ministerstwo_Bezpiecze%C5%84stwa_Publicznego — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.5.125 (talk) 14:05, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I see it now. The mistake can be easily fixed in Photoshop and I'll be happy to do it, but please, provide a source for this information according to wp:rs policy/guidelines. I wouldn't want to be wasting my time by engaging in wp:nor. Once confirmed as correct, the change will become necessary (not just recommended by you personally). Thanks, Poeticbent talk 16:37, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Rudolf Hoess
Was Rudolf Hoess in their captivity before their execution? --41.151.184.34 (talk) 21:53, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * All prisons fell under the jurisdiction of the Ministry, however, there might have been substantial regional differences between them. Hoess stayed at the Wadowice prison, not in Warsaw. He was attended by the Polish Jesuit priest Władysław Lohn who gave him his last Communion. He had a Polish doctor Zygmunt Wisznowicer. He was treated well. The prison commandant Stanisław Wiśniewski ordered the cremation of his body. No data about ashes. Poeticbent <span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#FFFFFF;font-weight:bold;background:#FF88AF;border:1px solid #DF2929;padding:0.0em 0.2em;">talk  22:37, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

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grinspan-kikiel / grünspan
This person has several variations on the writing of his name. Maybe someone can fix this and use one version, preferably the correct one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.133.219.164 (talk) 19:59, 2 February 2019 (UTC)