Talk:Minneapolis–Saint Paul International Airport

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I am noticing the Airport diagram is out of date. There is an updated PDF Version at http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0911/00264AD.PDF Note a big difference in the lower left corner. That is that MSP is using a ASDE-X system and requires aircraft to taxi with transponders on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.101.49 (talk) 06:35, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

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I am looking for information about international arrivals and departures. It would be helpful to have some information about where one can meet international passengers.24.8.157.237 02:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing in retrospect they were asking for where to have bathroom sex. ::eye roll:: .:DavuMaya:. 15:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Nobody is allowed through security but people can meet at baggage claim, or on the ticketing level at Houlihans Bar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.101.49 (talk) 06:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Not sure about this one Airport Noise
"Due to noise concerns from South Minneapolis residents, when using this new runway, aircraft will always land to the north and takeoff to the south." I don't believe this statement is true, although I have heard it before. It was used to ease concerns about aircraft noise, but there certainly are instances where planes will have to take off and land the other way. Andercee 16:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

What's ‘dba’? &mdash;Mulad
 * Doing business as --Locarno 21:03, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, I work right next to the runway and can attest that they take off and land both directions at times. [Anonymous] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.42.28.156 (talk) 02:41, August 1, 2007

For the most part, it is true that traffic using the new runway 17/35 will avoid flying over the city. However, during the runway 12R/30L construction project during Autumn 2007, air traffic used both directions on that runway because 12R/30L was closed. Now that it is open again, traffic will very rarely overfly South Minneapolis on that runway. 72.160.236.129 (talk) 04:44, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Air traffic does indeed travel north to south over Northeast Minneapolis and over part of Downtown Minneapolis to land at MSP. Planes fly directly over my house at Grand Street NE & 13th Avenue at an astonishing rate of 1 every minute. Sometimes more frequent. Today is September 9th, 2009 and I am currently listening to massive air traffic; it's very annoying and I intend to file a complaint. I don't expect a response or any action. I will be moving ASAP. [Shaun Mason)

Eagle/Vail/Beaver Creek/Aspen Valley
This is listed as one destination under Concourse C, but I believe it is two different airports - Eagle County Airport and Aspen-Pitkin County Airport. The Wikipedia articles state NW serves both, but NW's route map shows only Eagle County.. --75.72.161.204 23:26, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * They no longer fly to Aspen . I have changed this to "Eagle/Vail". --75.72.161.204 00:29, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Manila
One user removed Manila from the list that Northwest Airlines fly to and said to list NONSTOP flights only. NWA has direct, non plane-changing service to MNL [via NRT]. Should Manila remain in the list or should it be removed? Bucs2004

I got in a discussion about this once regarding Qantas at JFK, which flies to LAX and onward to Sydney. The apparent rule is that if it's a long-haul international flight where the tag-on leg rarely changes (and Northwest's MSP-NRT flight has been continuing to Manila for a long time), then it stays. What shouldn't happen is for the domestic continuing flights that change frequently (i.e. for a few months a year or so ago, American had a same-flight-number PHX-ORD-MSP service, and in that case it doesn't get listed).

So to answer your question, in this case it is supposed to stay there. The same holds true for those feeder flights, like the one that is MSP-Mason City-Fort Dodge, and others like that. Those stay as well. But for instance Frontier should not be listed as flying to San Francisco from here, even though it does have a flight that is MSP-Denver-San Francisco.71.223.246.57 (talk) 03:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Seasonal Regional Flights
I have noticed that many destinations such as Eagle/Vail (Delta), Victorville (Delta), Frankfurt (Netjets), Manchester, NH (Delta), Portland, ME (Delta), Hayden/Steamboat Springs, White Plains, etc. These need to be added to the list of arrivals/departures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.248.47 (talk) 21:16, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * These are not passenger service destinations from MSP. I've looked up a few of these DL schedules for the Christmas/New Year weeks and am not able to find anything. HkCaGu (talk) 22:29, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Seperation of domestic/international flights
I've noticed that at a few US airports, some airlines domestic and international destinations are seperated. This is not set up in the standard form as set forth in the ProjectWiki Airport guide. Plus, when it's being done, it's inconsistent even within the airport page - i.e. DL and UA destinations being seperated at LAX, but AA and NW remaining intact. So, stop doing it. Thanks. Andrewb729 23:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

When listing the busiest international routes from MSP we should just keep it at the top ten busiest international routes. Other airport articles use this same approach and it keeps it simple. Kcardozo 23:09, 30 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.72.35.125 (talk)

More References Needed
I belive this article needs more then just 3 references. Good luck Marcusmax 22:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Graphic showing original size and location of the MSP Airport and of Twin Cities Speedway Race track.
I created this graphic for a history book ("Richfield: Minnesota's Oldest Suburb") that the Richfield Historical Society (I am a board member) is coming out with. Is there interest for this on the MSP Airport page?

--Myotus 19:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

This is a wonderful graphic and I would recommend having it with a few suggestions: 1) Make it useful for the section Terminals, airlines, and destinations OR Runways (or both) as it is more user-friendly than the FAA version of the airport, and 2) Up-size the vectors so that information can be easily gleaned or inferred w/o having to click for a larger version. Wiki prefer graphics (maps, etc) that aren't photos to be very explicit especially when the article itself refers to the graphic, 3) colors! Davumaya 21:07, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Good points! I will work on them and get back with a modified graphic. --Myotus 16:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I added color and more detailing the map and compacted it for better viewing. Myotus —Preceding comment was added at 19:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I have created a new page, "Speedway Field" and have added this graphic as well as the following graphic I created along with information about Speedway field. I figure it might be better that cluttering up Minneapolis-Saint Paul International Airport with more graphics and historical info. It appears to be a large enough page as it is. Myotus —Preceding comment was added at 20:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Very important request
Somebody please put up a picture of the Larry Craig bathroom asap! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdiamante (talk • contribs) 20:02, October 10, 2007
 * Thanks for being a WPer and no thanks for helping our Minnesota article. .:DavuMaya:. 15:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There is a picture in the Larry Craig scandal article. No need for a picture here, too. Mrezee (talk) 17:07, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

NW Ending CDG Route
It was reinstated this year as a Delta Flight on a Delta Plane now that the companies are one... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.219.223 (talk) 04:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Even though NW removed the CDG route from the system in October-on, I think we need a definate date before we list they're ending the route. Rumors are flying that this may be a seasonal cut. Should the merger go through, it is highly likely we will see this route return with a 763ER from Delta as this would be more feasible. Airliners.net Discussion Forum Re: NW MSP-CDG Axed --Golich17 (talk) 23:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

More recent discussions on that website, and I believe a NWA newsrelease, have subsequently confirmed it to be a seasonal suspension. I'm sorry I'm not specifically listing references but I don't feel like digging around for them right now... 207.118.236.207 (talk) 01:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

NW/Delta Merger
Shouldn't NWA show up as a part of Delta Airlines? It should say Delta Air Lines as the airline and NWA underneath in smaller type print. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.30.178 (talk) 22:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

MSP 2020 Vision
Could use some updating. What's been happening since 2007. What is the current status. Calebrw (talk) 03:01, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

-This is a recent article on MSP 2020;  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.144.115.202 (talk) 21:04, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I have found an article dated September 2004 that outlines the 2020 vision, and someone who has been to the airport recently can say whether or not each thing outlined has happened on schedule. The most recent time I was there was may/june of '07, so I do not know the current status of the airport, and do not trust internat maps to be up-to-date. http://www.mspspotters.net/2020_Vision_Facilities.pdf 137.229.64.109 (talk) 23:51, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

CO to end EWR mainline
It looks like CO is ending mainline to EWR after August 30th so I added it. I can't find mainline returning at any point in the future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FL787 (talk • contribs) 02:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

--FL787 (talk) 02:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I just looked thru CO's website and mainline flights return May 23. So, I think the flight is seasonal. 74.183.173.237 (talk) 05:28, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Name Change??
When was the airport named after Larry Craig? Did I miss something?? Snoozlepet (talk) 01:49, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Redirect from Larry Craig bathroom
Please either add information in this article about the "Larry Craig bathroom" or else delete the redirect. Thanks, Ibn Battuta (talk) 07:08, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Added it back in. Surf Dog (talk) 02:31, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Information was missing for some reason. Re-added to Accidents/Incidents section since it was an incident. If you feel it would be more suited to the History section, feel free to move it. Mrezee (talk) 17:06, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Delta stuff
Internal memo about buildings post-merger
 * http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/pdf/Delta%20Air%20Lines%20Letter.pdf
 * http://www.webcitation.org/64opbCNo6

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Seattle–Tacoma International Airport which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 09:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Busiest International Routes from MSP (2012)
When listing the busiest international routes from MSP we should just keep it at the top ten busiest international routes. Other airport articles use this same approach and it keeps it simple. Kcardozo 23:09, 30 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.72.35.125 (talk)

So there really isn't any procedures as to the number of international destinations that can or should be listed? I myself like having the top 25 international destinations listed. It is a lot more informative. Please do not subtract this information again. I'm sure many other people find this very informative seeing that it has been left this way for quite some time and nobody has disturbed it and yes many other airports do have a top 25, top 20 or whatever. IE London Heathrow and Amsterdam just to name two. Once again please leave this info intact. Thank you. (184.97.212.166 (talk) 00:56, 31 October 2013 (UTC))


 * 25 is ridiculous, especially when you look at how few passengers the last few routes have. Why list international down to a few thousand? Shouldn't we expand domestic to top 100 to match this absolute insignificance? Most every airport has 10. That's reason enough. HkCaGu (talk) 01:08, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

"Most every airport has 10. That's reason enough." So what you are saying is that some airports have more than 10? Then what is the problem with having a top 25 for MSP? 25 is NOT ridiculous and a top 100 domestic I'm all for it if you would like to do the research for it. I find it very informative whether it is 1000 or 1000000. As stated previously London Heathrow and Amsterdam have more than 10 in their graph. What is the problem? You are not giving any reason why this cannot be like this other than because I said so. Leave this edit alone unless you can specifically give me a reason that I am going against Wikipedia rules. If you're going to start editing every airport page that has more than a top 10 on their page you are going to be one busy person.(216.81.190.25 (talk) 11:14, 31 October 2013 (UTC))
 * It is ridiculous to compare with LHR and AMS, both located in much smaller countries with limited domestic routes. MSP is overwhemingly domestically oriented.
 * Another question is whether the information is encyclopedic. WP:AIRPORT has determined that destination listings are there to show the scope of the airport's service, so schedules, frequency, gate assignments, and even seasonal start/end dates are not encyclopedic. Therefore each route's passenger amount alone is not encylopedic, only a table of top routes is. Huatulco's 240 passengers over a year is obviously not encylopedic, nor are many Sun Country destinations not even meeting 100 a day. HkCaGu (talk) 23:33, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

is there any news of Delta starting MSP - kef
is there any news of Delta starting MSP - kef Delta did get timeslot at kef for a MSP flight see http://turisti.is/frettir/10-frettir/1927-delta-faer-leyfi-fyrir-nyrri-flugleid-til-islands.html but have asked for a timeslot is not == starting a flight but it means that Delta is thinking about starting MSP - kef so i like to ask is there any news of Delta starting MSP - kef — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andri12 (talk • contribs) 12:51, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Already listed in the table with a start date and reliable source. 166.172.56.74 (talk) 16:49, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Great Lakes Airlines hub status
The has been dispute at the Great Lakes Airlines page regarding its hubs. The article now lists Denver as its sole hub even though the route map still supports four hubs (LAX, PHX, MSP, and DEN). Any suggestions? 166.172.56.74 (talk) 16:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

WP:NOTTRAVEL Violations
Hello, I have noticed that a lot of content on the MSP airport page violates WP:NOTTRAVEL, specifically the Spotters, Hotels, Airport Lounges, and Ground Transportation sections. In general, the page has a "travel-guide" tone not used on other airport pages. These sections need to be significantly edited to remove content similar to a travel guide. I would hate to remove all this information (which frequent editors of this page worked hard to write), so please make these changes or this content needs to be removed. Thanks! Stinger20 (talk) 22:22, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Top International Destinations (2019)
Having the top 20 international destinations out of an airport like MSP is important on Wikipedia as MSP has many seasonal destinations that are not represented by only showing data from the top 10. It is very hard to calculate those top 20 destinations as you must maneuver though many data tables presented by the DOT, if someone is willing to gather this data accurately, then there is no reason why it can't be presented on this page. The top 10 at MSP does not provide a complete understanding of the international destinations that passengers fly to throughout the year. It seems as most of the people that read this page want to keep it at 20 as this has been reverted multiple times both directions. Also, nowhere in WP:AIRPORTS does is state that regarding international statistics that there is a limit. It says that this information is OK to use. Raine004 (talk) 16:58, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Per WP:NOTEVERYTHING, we do not need to list every single piece of information. Just because someone researches the information does not make it encyclopedic. Information is to be summarized, the top 10 hits on the major points and that is what matters. It is irrelevant as to whether someone can see whether 20,000 or so passengers flew to Costa Rica during the year, if they want to see that, they can look it up. We do not list more than 10 domestic destinations, why should international be different? Arnoboro (talk) 18:46, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * In the source for top domestic destinations there is not the possibility to get more than the top 10, but the data for international shows all of the information for every international route flown from an airport. This is why we only show 10 with domestic routes, because the data available in the source stops at 10. The language used in WP:NOTEVERYTHING says that articles should have not every detail but a good summary of information. Including the top 20 for international destinations from an airport is not going into every last detail, it is an article about an airport and that information is a summary of the amount of people that fly from MSP to international destinations. Raine004 (talk) 21:50, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Even though listing more than 10 isn't really summarizing the way the above policies envisioned, since I don't really feel like fighting with you, I have changed it back. Do not go any further though. Arnoboro (talk) 02:03, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Additions to the Accidents and incidents section
I want to add more to the Accidents and incidents section. I'm going to limit myself to aircraft-related events that happened either at the airport itself or soon after takeoff or near landing, but I was wondering if there are any guidelines for what should or shouldn't go in there?

Jcash0613 (talk) 14:47, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Changes to History Section
A lot of the current history is just a copy/paste from this page https://www.flightmemory.com/encyclopedia/Minneapolis-Saint_Paul_International_Airport.html. Is there any reason I can't edit this section to sound better? There's many well-cited facts, but this section feels more like a fact-dump than a cohesive history of the airport.

Jcash0613 (talk) 19:25, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Additional Info to the Hotel Section
Adding on more information about the on-site hotel like the amenities, 12th floor space, and the other 30,000 space for events directly from the MSP website: https://www.mspairport.com/airport/site-hotel. I think this fits well into the hotel section to explain more about what the hotel offers. I understand from previous edits that a travel guide "tone" is undesirable, so I've tried my best to add in the sentence to fit well within the section.

Tyv21 (talk) 17:00, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Minneapolis–Saint Paul International Airport
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Minneapolis–Saint Paul International Airport's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "policeRpt": From Larry Craig: [https://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/ssi/craig_police_report_082807.pdf Lewd conduct: Report of Sgt. Dave Karsnia #4211, Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport Police Department.] (June 12, 2007). The Washington Post. Retrieved on August 28, 2007 (Adobe Acrobat Reader required for viewing). See also U.S. senator gets flushed: Republican Larry Craig sought Minnesota airport toilet tryst. (August 28, 2007). The Smoking Gun. Retrieved on August 28, 2007. From Larry Craig scandal: [https://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/ssi/craig_police_report_082807.pdf Lewd conduct: Report of Sgt. Dave Karsnia #4211, Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport Police Department.] (June 12, 2007). The Washington Post. Retrieved on August 28, 2007. See also U.S. senator gets flushed: Republican Larry Craig sought Minnesota airport toilet tryst. (August 28, 2007). The Smoking Gun. Retrieved on August 28, 2007. 

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 16:33, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Resumption of Destinations Post-Covid
Hello,

I have been trying to work on adding resumption dates for (mostly international) routes suspended due to covid. I however am only one person and need help. I believe Vancouver and Montréal are on the list, but they have eluded me thusfar. I would greatly appreciate some help in improving this page. Thanks, PlaneCeiling912 (talk) 22:10, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Only major airport in the United States to have two terminals located on entirely separate roadway systems?
The source given for this statement (The Metropolitan Airports Commission (July 26, 2010). Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport Long Term Comprehensive Plan Update (Report)) isn't linked, so can't be checked, but on the face of it this statement seems incorrect. Atlanta's domestic and international terminals appear to be on equally separate roadway sysetems (one off I75, the other off I85). Unless I am missing something, I would suggest this statement should either be removed, or changed to "one of the only major airports", although that then begs verification through a reliable source itself. --Nick Moss (talk) 10:45, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I feel like it's such a trivial fact that it is probably not needed anyways. JayJayWhat did I do? 21:40, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Austin Bergstrom? If you look at a map the main and south terminals of Austin are also on separate roadway systems, frankly moreso than Minneapolis-St. Paul. 130.126.255.79 (talk) 20:41, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I removed this claim. It may have been true at one time, but Austin and Orlando also now have split terminal configurations. RickyCourtney (talk) 00:04, 16 February 2023 (UTC)