Talk:Minnesota Golden Gophers football

Michigan rivalry
The Michigan article doesn't list Minnesota as a rival and I would have to say I agree with it. A 24-67-3 record against an opponent stopped being a rivalry a long time ago, even if the Little Brown Jug is still on the line.Football79 20:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That begs a question, do both sides need to care for it to be a rivalry? I'd say no, to Minnesota fans, it's definitely a game to care about (in my opinion, Having gone to see the last four Minnesota/Michigan games) -Colslax 00:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Any time a team plays Michigan, it's a big deal. What about when Minnesota plays Ohio State? Do Gopher fans care any less about playing them, simply because there is no prize involved? The prestige of the Minnesota football team is not the same as it was in 1963, the last time the Gophers won the Jug in consecutive seasons. In fact, Minnesota hasn't had a winning record against Michigan since 1893 (2-0). That begs another question: If a trophy didn't exist between these two schools, would this even be a discussion?Football79 00:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * According to the Wolverines web site, the Minnesota game is a rivalry game. http://mgoblue.com/section_display.cfm?section_id=419&top=2&level=3 --RLent 21:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The Little Brown Jug symbolizes one of the oldest rivalries in college football. Just because the Gophers have been struggling for a very long time doesn't mean we deny tradition. Of course these two teams are rivals. Its the second oldest trophy in all of college football. "Any time a team plays Michigan, it's a big deal." Any time a team plays Notre Dame it's also a big deal. Yet Notre Dame has a select few rivalries. I don't see your point.


 * Michigan a rival of Minnesota? Maybe, but at this point North Dakota State is probably just as much of a rival to the Gophers as anyone else is. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 02:20, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, North Dakota State is not a rival of the Gophers.

Canadian Football Hall of Fame
we should not forget that many US college players have successful careers in the CFL and we should note them as well. 00:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC) Smith03


 * Agreed. This section deserves a WikiTable, too.Football79 04:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

All time coaches
what about the years without a coach (1882 and 1892?). It appears that the all time totals include thoses seasons but they are not accounted for in the tables Smith03 00:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC) The page has the current w-l-t record at 632-445-44. has it at 626 439 44. I went throught the coaches totals (including what I added) and got 626 438 I did not count the ties yet. Can some site the source for the page w/l/t totalsSmith03 01:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If you're trying to ask about a site in which you can verify this total, try the College Football Data Warehouse. I've also found the ESPN College Football Encyclopedia (ISBN 1-4013-3703-1), pp. 520-529, to be quite useful as well. Both have 626-439-44 as the all-time record.Football79 06:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

2007 rape allegations
This article is intended to be a high level overview of the history of Gopher football. Notable incidents involving memebers of a particular team should instead be placed in the article that details that particlar season, so I've moved this section to 2007 Minnesota Golden Gophers football team. Gopher backer 14:59, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposal
The result was do not mergeGopherguy 16:49, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the Minnesota Golden Gophers football under Jim Wacker article's content should be moved here or into the articles for specific years. --Edwin Herdman 02:35, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think it should be merged - pages like that are designed for older seasons. Instead of someone creating individual pages for the 5 seasons that Wacker was coach, they can all be grouped onto this one page.  This was discussed on the WikiProject College football board a while ago - Archive-Mar2007 - check the last section on the page, "Notability of per-year team entries".Gopherguy 21:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If there's no further discussion on this topic, I'll remove the merger suggestion.Gopherguy 23:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. The point of splitting stuff like that out is so the main article doesn't go so big. Gopher backer 23:35, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

GoldenGophersFootball template
Someone removed the GoldenGophersFootball template from this page with the explanation that it is season-specific. I think it should be put back - it's a box with links to individual season results. I certainly think that access to that kind of information should absolutely be available from the main Gopher page. If everybody agrees (or at least nobody disagrees) I'll put it back.Gopherguy 18:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Revision
In the spirit of working on all the pages of Minnesota Golden Gophers history, I'm going to do some work on this page. I plan on expanding the trophy section (making it more of a defined 'rivalry' section), as well as some stadium work. Any other thoughts on how to bring the page up to a higher level are welcomeColslax (talk) 04:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC) -

"Compete"?
When I attended the Gophers vs. North Dakota State game, I observed that (1) the students are wildly enthusiastic over their team (school spirit is a good thing) and (2) they apparently have no idea how lousy this team is (youthful innocence is a good thing). The Bison not only ran through the Gophers like a hot knife through butter, but they apparently also had the majority of the rooters in the Metrodome. As bad as the Gophers were picked to be this year (0-8 in the conference, 4-0 outside), they actually did worse, dropping 3 of 4 to the presumed "cream puff" teams. These things do happen. But then I happened to run across this article and saw how this team "competes" in the Big 10. "Compete"? If that game and this season is somebody's idea of "competing", then I'm the Man in the Moon. In spot-checking, I see there is inconsistent use of this term, but it seems to be used only at the amateur level. The Indianapolis Colts are reigning Super Bowl champions, but they do not "compete" in the NFL, they are simply members of that league. Similarly, the Boston Red Sox are reigning World Series Champions, but they do not "compete" in MLB, they are simply members of the American League. It finally occurred to me that this "compete" stuff is nothing more than sales-and-marketing hype, i.e. POV-pushing, and it needs to go. There is a Gophers rooter who obviously thinks otherwise. That's what this semantics dispute is about. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 17:37, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I would be the "Gophers rooter" that he is referring to. He is trying to claim that the word "compete" is a marketing tool - it's not.  It is an accurate term used by sports teams at EVERY level of competition.  Instead of hashing this out here and repeating arguments, check out Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football to see the discussion that has been ongoing.  Please add to the discussion if you have something to add.  Clearly, Baseball Bugs is on his own here - everyone else agrees that "compete" is the correct term to use.  Gopherguy | Talk 01:33, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, you're the Man in the Moon. You are the one who is engaging in POV-pushing. Perhaps you could look up the word "compete" in the dictionary. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/compete --RLent (talk) 19:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

"Compete" is what opposing teams or persons do in sports. The definition of compete is "To strive against another or others to attain a goal, such as an advantage or a victory." Take your sad rants elsewhere Bugsbunny because it's a meaningless argument. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.162.59.49 (talk) 00:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

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Vandal Alert
Hello Golden Gopher football editors!

There's an 18 year old kid who has been reverting the number of NCs on the Minnesota, Notre Dame and other pages. He claims to be a recruit of USC and other schools. I have responded on his Talk page thus:

Here's your recent edit summary on the ND football page:

..--You WILL get a vandalism warning if you change this. This is WIRE national titles = AP or UPI, please don't change this to "11"...if you disagree, bring it up at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football-->.

I'm willing to overlook this intrusion - and that's what it is - as a factor of perhaps age and inexperience. But the vandal here is you.

After I saw your illegitimate edit, I made two immediate visits to other pages WP:CFB and USC Trojans Football, a school from whom you have an offer.

Two immediate notes:

a) Nowhere does the WikiProject CFB establish or seek to establish a criterion for pre-BCS national championships. There is no expressed dependence on wire service polls as definitive - which is a good thing, because in case you didn't know there were no wire service polls prior to 1936 - but there were consensus national champions going back to Walter Camp in the early 1900s and even before. USC Trojans Football article claims 11 national championships. Why didn't you revert that? USC has won wire service championships only in 1962, 1972,one of two in 1974, one of two in 1978, one of two in 2003, and 2004. That makes a total of six, with only three undisputed.

So why didn't you go to the USC page and revert their claim of 11? And what will happen if I visit the Michigan page, which also claims a number of pre-wire service championships? Did you revert those and place a vandalism warning there?

This controversy also exists on the Talk page for USC football - here I quote on especially hardworking editor:

''Ultimately, there's no way to demonstrably disprove the claim of 11 titles, as there's no determinant universally regarded as "official." It's clear that there were years when USC was selected but that the university itself doesn't recognize as legitimate claimants, and to some extent it's simply a question of what each university recognizes individually.''

That is the rule around Wiki FB pages, and I'm perfectly willing to allow USC to claim as many as they can justify, 11 being entirely reasonable.

But so is it for Notre Dame - read the article for the justification.

b) And before you go reverting good faith edits and get a vandal ban - you might want to check



This is from the NCAA itself. You'll find a lot more than 11 national titles listed.

The only reason that I'm not having you banned for rudeness is, as I said, your youth and inexperience. But proceed cautiously if you wish to be taken seriously in adult company. Sensei48 (talk) 01:25, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Be on the lookout for further disruptions from him. Rather than report him to an admin, I'm simply going to alert the football pages at Alabama, Ohio State, and Minnesota about him as well. Cheers! Sensei48 (talk) 01:25, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

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Forced-sex episode
At some point, text should be added regarding a high-profile controversy and legal debate in Minnesota over well-documented allegations that members of the Gophers squad engaged in forced group sex with an inebriated female student on Sept. 2, 2016. As of Dec. 20, legal authorities were still considering charges against some players, five of whom have been recommended for expulsion and five others for one-year suspensions. Sca (talk) 17:34, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

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