Talk:Minor league football (gridiron)

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@Demokra you added a Maintenance template to the history section stating "It frequently presents the NFL as the dominant nationwide league throughout history, even in the eras when it was not". Can you please elaborate on what you meant? As the article specifically stating: "The (golden) era is also considered the best of all time, because the quality of play, as there was only 250 players in the NFL, while the regional leagues could sometimes offer better pay and jobs, and offered black players opportunity to play during the period when they were excluded from all NFL teams (1933–1946)". From my research after the 1958 NFL Championship Game the NFL considered the prominent league in the US (although other leagues claimed the "major league" designation through the years). BabyBOY789 (talk) 17:33, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, BabyBOY - sorry about the delay in replying! First I have to say, the page has the makings of a brilliant article, it's got so much detail.
 * The thing that's confusing me about the article is how it introduces the minor and major leagues, and how it defines them at the start -- maybe including the definition of the NFL, but not just that league specifically.
 * At the start, it introduces the NFL and CFL as major leagues today (no problem, nice and clear), and then the 'History' section goes right back to the start, to 1890-1919, and describes many minor leagues (all good), but the NFL only gets its earliest mention in the 1930s. So, maybe there's an opportunity to explain more about where the NFL originated, and how it related to and interacted with other leagues in its early years. (Or maybe I just missed that!). Also, it's a little confusing to call it a "vacuum" in non-NFL regions in that era, since it implies that the NFL had already been active there, and then left. When the issue was more that the NFL hadn't grown so large yet. So, maybe a different word could be clearer? ("non NFL-affiliated" regions?)
 * To help readers to understand the Major/Minor distinction quickly, I would suggest (it's your choice whether you want to try this), maybe a short section, 'Definition', before the 'History' section, to define the different levels of league -- that info is already well explained in 'System and structure', but maybe that info should be earlier in the article?
 * Anyway... sorry about this tired typing. Hope it can help the article. :-) Demokra (talk) 06:38, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Demokra, thanks for taking the time to answer!
 * I appreciate the compliments but this article wasn't my brainchild, I just fell in love of it and try to expanded as much as I can (and sometimes it's harder to edit than write it from scratch) :-).
 * In the 1890-1919 section I added an explanation to what happened to those leagues: "The rise in level of play resulted in barnstorming tours between the circuits, which laid the foundations for the first truly national "Major" league – The American Professional Football Association in 1920 (which was later became the NFL)" (much of it was already there, I just added the end). Also, I changed the word "vacuum" in the 1930s section.
 * Regarding the "connections" between some leagues and the NFL: There was one attempt to establish a "minor league system" (Association of Professional Football Leagues) which is mentioned in the article several times, and another one with the establishment of NFL Europe (also mentioned several times) - while both have separate articles. Please let me know if you think it's necessary to expand it in this article.
 * Also, please let me know if you have any more feedback, as we try to improve this amazing article :-). BabyBOY789 (talk) 16:24, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

International leagues
This article is about minor leagues in North America, compere to the NFL/CFL. The international leagues shown in this article are those who have some type of a connection to the NFL/CFL - like the LFA, ELF and Australian leagues (through Prokick Australia academy). Other "strong" leagues like X-League (Japan) or other European leagues do not belong in this article as long as they don't have any relationships with one of the major leagues. BabyBOY789 (talk) 15:05, 5 January 2023 (UTC)