Talk:Minoritarianism

Is Minoritarianism a real term?
I attempted to verify some of the information in this article tonight. Unfortunately, I was unable to do so. A google search returned primarily Wikipedia and its mirrors. I was unable to find an authoritative source indicating that this term is in use or that it is commonly defined in the same way as in this article. If anyone can source the use of this term, please do so either here or in the article. Otherwise, the article may have to be nominated for deletion as unverifiable. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 01:05, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * It appears to be real, as I wouldn't have created the article if it wasn't. Basically, it's the antithesis of majoritarianism.
 * A Google search turns up 1,110 hits. Of the top 30 hits, 19 refer to minoritarianism in a substantive manner that has nothing to do with the Wikipedia and its mirrors, and this includes a National Review article and various reports.  That's 63% of the top 30 hits.  So I would use this figure to faithfully dispute that "a google search returned primarily Wikipedia and its mirrors". --Stevietheman 02:10, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * OK, I think this link seals the term's existence for sure. If MSN Encarta lists it in their dictionary, it has to be real. --Stevietheman 04:31, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Except that MSN gives a different definition, one without all the political rhetoric attached. JAQ 21:50, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure that all that was removed was "political rhetoric", but in general, your changes were pretty good. Thanks! &mdash;  Stevie is the man!  Talk 22:00, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

I don't understand why Finland is listed as a minority rule country in this article? The Swedish speakers does not hold power in Finland. Only abouth 15 mp are swedish speakers out of 200. Can somebody explain why? //Martin

Minority rule
It seems to me that "minority rule" is a much more used term than minoritarianism (so says googling). It also seems to me that they aren't identical. I don't mind this article remaining, discussing minoritarianism (re: current proposal for merger with "dominant minority"), however, I don't think it should have "minority rule" redirecting here. Nor do I think that the text "(essentially meaning minority rule)" should be part of the introduction.

Furthermore the introduction describes minoritarianism as a "political philosophy". I feel this is giving the term a scientific flair which it hasn't earned, at least not the way this article currently expounds the term. __meco 14:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Finland-Swedish minority rule in Finland

 * Finland-Swedish minority rule in Finland? I don't really think that this is right? During the 1800's the Finland-Swedes had power, but there where not any elections and I there was no segregation such as in RSA and Rhodesia. I would say that it was more the Finland-Swedish elit that had power, not the hole group. To me this sounds like a allegation from some kind of finnish nationalistic organisation... Dr.Poison 17:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I forgot to log in, so escause me... Dr.Poison 17:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * No source has been given though this information was questioned (by Dr.Poison and Martin) over two years ago. I didn't find prominent sources with superficial googling, either, so I'm "challenging and removing" that piece of information. --PeeKoo (talk) 08:47, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Consensus
"Consensus advocates argue that this is a good feature—that no action is preferable to one without the consensus support of the group."


 * Sometimes an action must be taken. Is there a name for the difference between decisions that require an outcome and decisions that do not? — Omegatron 13:28, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Example: Attorney General of the country makes a phone call to the group's president. She says that the group must record information on who is being sent to a conference, in the minutes of meetings. At this point it is just a reminder, but this is what the law says.
 * A member of the group at the next few meetings stalls action by pontificating about the spiritual leader of the movement having exclusive authority on who can or cannot go to said conference. Privately, he justifies his action by saying that the president of the group was known to act unilaterally, and this is where he draws the line.
 * (true story) 172.103.222.67 (talk) 17:00, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Requested move
Renaming this article "Minority Rule" doesn't seem appropriate. Although I agree that "Minority Rule" should probably not redirect to here. Just judging from context it appears that "Minoritarianism" and "Minority Rule" are related but different terms. An example from the article illustrates...

Even in the case where minority control is nominally limited to blocking the majority with veto power (whether as a result of a supermajority requirement or a consensus process), this may result in the situation where the minority retains effective control over the group's agenda and the nature of the proposals submitted to the group, as the majority will not propose ideas that they know the minority will veto

This paragraph describes a fairly speculative and limited form of minority power which doesn't jive with my understanding of the common use of the term Minority Rule. The distinction may be in the word rule which implies a fairly strong expression of control while minoritarianism appears to include forms of limited control by a minority. Hmm... perhaps minority rule is a special case of minoritarianism? New 02:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Minority rule sometimes refers to a dominant minority and sometimes refers to the effect of a supermajority rule. Since minoritarianism isn't widely used, I suggest the following: -- Alan McBeth 01:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Move this page to Minority rule (majority blocking)
 * Make Minority rule a disambiguation page pointing to this page and Dominant minority.
 * Please take to WP:RM and follow proper procedure. -Patstuarttalk 21:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The "proper procedure" is exactly what Alan did - make a proposal on the respective article's Talk pages and see what the consensus is. WP:RM is only for those cases that are either controversial or especially complicated (generally, those requiring admin intervention because the desired target page already has history. Regardless, I think it's now moot.  This page now more clearly describes the primary usage of the term as the blocking power.  The stronger usage is more clearly defined at dominant minority.  Cross-links exist on both pages.  Rossami (talk) 00:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Acha bom traduzir o que falta para o inglês? att 187.20.137.50 (talk) 20:07, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Jews in Palestine
Technically Jews are now a minority or rather a large minority in all of Palestine Nlivataye (talk) 18:13, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Possible reference for US minority rule
Minority Rule by Ari Berman. 136.36.180.215 (talk) 02:46, 23 April 2024 (UTC)