Talk:Minouche Shafik

Notability
I have worked with Minouche and so can vouch for her notability. She is globally influential in development matters - just ask Nick Stern of the Stern Report who was her supervisor at the L.S.E.. I am adding some further links. You only have to Google her to establish notability. She is incidentally the highest ranking 'Muslim origin' public officer in the entire OECD group of countries and is of course one of the VERY few women in the grouping to have reached the highest civil service grade. Oecdsec (talk) 21:38, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Neutrality and correction
My name is Marisol Grandon and I am a British civil servant working at the Department for International Development. I notice that this entry about Minouche Shafik has a factual inaccuracy. She has not had a chauffeur since January 2010.

I also note that the first paragraph of this entry is not written in the neutral tone set out in Wikipedia's guidance for biographies[|biographies of living persons]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MsLibertad (talk • contribs) 11:24, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a shame you removed the information from the first paragraph. I think it is quite note-worthy that such a great proportion of spending on international development goes straight into the pockets of fat cat bureaucrats like Shafik... Vorpaul (talk) 16:23, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Shafik is not a "fat bureucrat", Cameron is.Other dictionaries are better (talk) 16:18, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

No mention about the expenses issue in DFID under her watch or her political motivations at the expense of the poor she purports to serve? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.195.14.64 (talk) 11:02, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Outside Observers
I have removed a comment that said outside observers rated DFID under Shafik's tenure as the best performing UK department.

The cited reference was to a Cilvil Service review (hardly 'Outside') that said nothing of the sort.

In usual circumspect civil service language it merely notes 'improvement'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Modern Cromwell (talk • contribs) 16:13, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

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last update
You say Virgiana praises the President while Speaker Johnson ask for her resignation however i just watched the event and Virginia along with other elected officials all called for her immediate resignation. 2600:1702:5221:9B70:BD15:D9F3:FCD:9C59 (talk) 20:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Originally, on April 18, Foxx said she was 'glad' to see the NYPD called in:
 * https://edworkforce.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=410471
 * https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2024/04/18/house-committee-on-education-and-the-workforce-chair-releases-statement-in-support-of-student-arrests/
 * She seems to have changed her opinion. Jjazz76 (talk) 01:04, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * She might have heard how callig police worked for G. Kirk at Columbia. T.W.Hamilto 2603:7000:6A00:32DA:1577:B453:68DB:AF11 (talk) 20:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

The Father's Land Nationalization
The bulk of Egyptian land nationalization happened a decade before her birth. While her father did have his land nationalized, the sources are consistent with that happening long before she moved to the U.S. at age 4. The current text implied the nationalization was the proximate cause for their move, but it seems likely that isn't true.

LondonYoung (talk) 20:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

add subject of doctor doctoral dissertation
""she wrote her doctoral dissertation on the role of the private and public sectors in Egypt."" Shafik - @Columbia only has 1 well-cited publication in her life, in Oxford Econ Papers 1994. This paper is lifted almost entirely from a 1992 report coauthored with consultant not credited in the publication. This is wholesale intellectual theft, not subtle plagiarism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/03/01/an-economists-quest-for-many-answers/33a6c55a-8447-4822-a070-bbc09215b4ca/ 79.176.106.171 (talk) 14:04, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

manush shafic background
in the article the was a gradual diffrence from : Egyptian-American economist,

thru

is an Egyptian-born American economist who has been serving as the

thru

is an American academic

and currently at

is a British-American academic and economist

Describing her as British-American goes Against WP:BLPSTYLE:
 * the word british (nor any of the abbreviations or Synonym) dose not show up in the cited article.
 * the word American (nor any of the abbreviations or Synonym) dose not show up in the cited article.
 * hiding the fact that she is immigration to the USA. (which is controversial topic)
 * hide the fact she is from a Muslim background. (which also a controversial topic)
 * push the fact she is from a country that has been part of the conflict (IMO because this is a controversial topic)
 * there are plenty of source who choses to make to element of her notables:

few examples for how other have describe her:

Christine Lagarde, the president of the European Central Bank and a former IMF managing director, cites her attentive and inclusive leadership style. They worked together for three years in the early 2010s when Shafik was one of Lagarde’s deputy managing directors. “Minouche is a subtle mixture of the orient and the occident; she is as Egyptian as she is European as she is British as she is American,” Lagarde says. “She supports other people, especially women, when they deserve it. She does not suffer fools gladly but will give everyone a chance.”

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/2023/09/PIE-the-everywhere-economist-minouche-shafik

article headline - "columbia names first women and muslin neamat-shafik"

and from the article: ...Raecalling her upbringing and her family’s departure from Egypt

https://clarionindia.net/columbia-names-first-woman-and-muslim-nemat-shafik-as-president-to-lead-the-university/

(the cited article in question) https://web.archive.org/web/20240430033923/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/23/nyregion/columbia-university-campus-protests.html

the daily mail has describes her: "The Muslim-American, born in Egypt" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13345205/Columbia-University-President-Minouche-Shafik-holed-enormous-mansion-24-7-security-Tesla-driveway-anti-Israel-mob-holds-school-hostage.html

my proposed wording:

is an Egyptian born Muslim economist with British-American academic background 79.176.106.171 (talk) 16:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 May 2024
Change the part in her bio claiming the pro-Palestinian protests are anti-semitic, and replace with “pro-Palestinian.” Claiming the protests are anti-semitic is biased and leaning towards one side of the war. Plus is not factually correct as both Israelites and Palestinians are semitic, being of that region.

Definition: “ relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian, constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family. 2. relating to the peoples who speak Semitic languages, especially Hebrew and Arabic.”

semitic meaning https://g.co/kgs/cieoJje 2601:282:1A7E:C1C0:5D:E53E:7B3C:C775 (talk) 14:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 20:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Controversy around Anti-Jewish Bias
Ms. Shaffir has created a hostile environment for Jewish students and faculty that needs to be addressed. The school has clearly violated discrimination of students and faculty based on religion and national origin. Further, collective punishment by these activists is another failure of her tenure. These issues need to be noted for the record as these violations are not in line with an American university’s mission. 2600:1700:98D8:1010:54B7:7F50:42CD:363E (talk) 18:33, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 May 2024
Add that the main commencement has been cancelled after the sentence about police presence and graduation. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/columbia-cancels-university-wide-commencement-ceremony-after-protests-2024-05-06/ YourBrainOnDrugs (talk) 18:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 20:24, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

phony/misleading state propaganda passes as objective information now??
The fact that the line "The Demonstrations at Columbia sometimes included pro-Hamas antisemitic hate speech and threats, resulting in protests targeting some Jewish students", backed up by blatantly biased sources, is a manifest lie and brazenly misleading, and the fact that this platform now protects such propaganda from being edited is shameful Ungovernable137 (talk) 19:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Do you have any secondary source that supports your arguments that antisemitic hate speach was not a part of the student protest?
 * There are reliable source according to Wikipedia supporting protestors were chanting antisemitic phrase 212.29.194.49 (talk) 17:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Dating Style on Minouche Shafik
Currently this article uses a mix of English and American dating styles, with various editors continuing to add both styles in recent weeks. I would note the following from Wikipedia:

"Articles on topics with strong ties to a particular English-speaking country should generally use the date format most commonly used in that nation. For the United States this is (for example) July 4, 1976; for most other English-speaking countries it is 4 July 1976."

Shafik is far more well known for her tenure at Columbia than anything else, which is why I think we should use the American style consistenting across the board. But again happy to have a discussion so we are consistent throughout the article. Jjazz76 (talk) 20:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * We should keep to what has long been established on this page per MOS:RETAIN. Dmy dates was established way before she had anything to do with Columbia. Anyone that has come on this page and been using dates that are not dmy hasn't been following what is stated to be done at the top of the editing page. Anything that isn't dmy should be changed to dmy. Helper201 (talk) 17:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok feel free to make those changes, because right now both formats are, and continue to be used. Jjazz76 (talk) 20:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 July 2024
The article said that Minouche Shafik testified before Congress on 24 April. This is inaccurate. She testified on 17 April. The encampments began that same day as a response. Jsilvy (talk) 20:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 20:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)