Talk:Miro (wrestler)

Bio / Powerlifting
I removed the sentence "and was considered for the Bulgarian team in the 2012 Summer Olympics. (references WWEBio and WWENXTInterview). It is nicely sourced and all, but powerlifting is not olympic, therefore he could not have been considered for the Olympic team. I then thought that maybe it was just phrased ambiguously and he was considered for the rowing team, but the sources explicitly state is was for powerlifting. Maybe this is kayfabe, maybe the bio writer thought Americans do not know what olympic lifting is and used powerlifting instead (has been done before). Anyway, these articles suck as a source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.6.212.138 (talk) 14:09, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Miro
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Alexander Rusev's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "wwebio": From John Layfield:  From Rosa Mendes:  From Adam Birch:  From Kofi Kingston:  From Goldust:  From CM Punk:  From Jack Swagger:  From Tyson Kidd: </li> <li>From Dave Batista: </li> <li>From Charles Robinson (referee): </li> <li>From Vickie Guerrero: </li> <li>From Pat Patterson (wrestler): </li> <li>From Steve Keirn: </li> <li>From Joey Styles: </li> <li>From The Miz: </li> <li>From Dwayne Johnson: </li> <li>From Justin Roberts: </li> </ul>

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 22:58, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Requested move (2014)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. &mdash;innotata 17:33, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Alexander Rusev → Rusev (wrestler) – Has achieved most of his success under simply his last name. He used his full name for only one month following his debut then switched to just Rusev. GeicoHen (talk) 22:04, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I am tired of petty name changes of entertainment figures that may only be changed because the format lacks a real substance that would keep people otherwise entertained. Olympic wrestlers don't play name games. Gregkaye  ✍ ♪  04:09, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * That's the point of pro wrestling. Various stagenames choosen by a creative team.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 15:48, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose Rusev is in a title that demonstrates history. Gregkaye ✍ ♪  04:09, 22 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Alexander Rusev is a natural disambiguation. With a picture, there should be no cause for confusion. Rusev (wrestler) can stay as a redirect. starship  .paint   ~ regal  02:42, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose Like Batista or Goldberg. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 15:48, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * They've had highly prolific acting careers under their full names. It's not an apples-to-apples comparison, I don't think. --GeicoHen (talk) 18:06, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I think you misread that. The argument was that while Batista and Goldberg are often only referred to by last names both articles use the full names and that this should not be any different.--76.65.42.142 (talk) 21:31, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Also, the name was Dave Batista before he left WWE and became a green badass. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 01:10, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose The current title is a natural disambiguator. In the past we have favored using full names over just last names which require disambiguation.LM2000 (talk) 06:34, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Support, I don't agree with using legacy names for disambiguation (e.g. Madonna (entertainer) is not located at Madonna Ciccone). McPhail (talk) 19:16, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
 * , when was Madonna known as Madonna Ciccone? Looking at the pictures from her first music album, she seems to be just "Madonna". Also, the word Ciccone only appears 13 times in the whole article, some of which was referring to Madonna's relatives. starship  .paint   ~ regal  04:16, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
 * - that perhaps wasn't the best example, but what about Christian (wrestler) (not Christian Cage) or Rikishi (wrestler) (not Rikishi Phatu)? McPhail (talk) 12:58, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
 * , "Christian Cage" never appeared on WWE television. In his long and stories career, "Christian Cage" wrestled a total of 1 house show match and 1 dark match for WWF, before 2000. I'm sure many WWE fans have no idea who Christian Cage is. For Rikishi Phatu, it seems like he returned to WWF using that name from 1999-2000 before the last name was dropped. He did use it on television and it is a natural disambiguation so I would support a move to Rikishi Phatu. starship  .paint   ~ regal  00:09, 26 September 2014 (UTC)


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Bogus Vote
Seeing the above section made me very upset, but I'll try my best to convey my point in a way that all people can reason with rather than letting my emotions get the better. First off, I would not call this a "vote" in any way shape or form. When it wasn't even open for two weeks and only those who happened to stumble upon it got to voice their opinion. Isn't it weird that the actual users who tried to move the page in the first place didn't even vote in it? Barack Obama didn't get re-elected because he only let his fellow democrats vote. That's not how votes work, that's not how communal efforts work. I am stumbling upon this vote almost half a year after it occurred, and seeing it as a whole I question both the authenticity and the integrity of this vote. I can arrange a vote changing Adolf Hitler's page to "Professor Spankypants" if I wanted, and all I would have to do to make the change happen is to tell nobody except my colleagues about it (obviously in real life we wouldn't be able to even hold such a vote due to the ridiculousness, but you see my point). I see arguments on the subject like "Batista and Goldberg use their full names in their articles", please let me remind all of you Alexander Rusev is a FAKE name. It is not a real name, it is a creative strategy, therefore it is always subject to change. This is why the page for Adventure Time isn't "Adventure Time with Finn & Jake" (the original title of the show). I personally believe this page should say Rusev, but that's not what I'm here to argue. Using a fake, non-existent name for a page is ridiculous, and most wrestlers who use more than one name would have their page named after their REAL name. Nobody wants to say that because nobody wants to see his exotic Bulgarian name on the page. Whatever we choose to name this page, "Alexander Rusev" is the worst option. - preceding unsigned comment by Funkatastic
 * You should have started another move request rather than override previous consensus just because you don't like it. I'm not going to undo your changes because at this point I think the "Alexander" part of his name is largely forgotten as he went on to achieve his greatest success without it, perhaps unlike the comparable Antonio Cesaro.LM2000 (talk) 03:48, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You didn't like the way the vote was held so you decided the best solution would be to act unilaterally? Hypocrisy, thy name is Funkatastic. Please raise a new move request. Thanks. McPhail (talk) 18:28, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Please, refrain from personal attacks, it is unprofessional. And it has been proved that specific (unnamed) users would rather rig a name vote than work in a communal effort.  Had a fair voting process took place than we would not be here.  But we instead find ourselves in a situation where users can't be trusted to have a fair and balanced poll therefore the idea of another vote is redundant and clearly will accomplish nothing.  Using a fake name to represent a Wikipedia page that the person didn't even come up with (nor do they use in their personal life) is something that would barely be up for vote in the first place, and now that a fair vote can't be held, we have no choice but to go to the name Rusev (wrestler).Funkatastic (talk) 21:05, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see report and request at WP:Requested moves/Technical requests. Whether or not you are satisfied with the publicity for the previous discussion, you have no business moving the page against consensus. I have requested that it be moved back. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:100;"> Dwpaul   Talk   04:25, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * As for Using a fake name to represent a Wikipedia page that the person didn't even come up with (nor do they use in their personal life) is something that would barely be up for vote in the first place - you must not be familliar with either articles on professional wrestlers and WP:COMMONNAME. starship.paint  ~ ¡ Olé !  11:53, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 30 June 2015
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The result of the move request was: Moved by technical request. LM2000 (talk) 06:12, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Rusev (professional wrestler) → Alexander Rusev – The person who moved it intended to just do it to wrestler (as we see in the history) and has attempted to correct the mistake by copying the content rather than moving the page. I would like to see it properly moved to retain the page history. Alternatively, could also be moved back to Rusev (wrestler). As we see in John Morrison (wrestler) we do not add "professional", isn't necessary. Above consensus seems there was no agreement to drop "Alexander" and add parenthesis.

Also with what was discussed previously, worth linking WP:NATURAL aka WP:NATDAB as mentioned by  and, did not know of term until now. Ranze (talk) 00:57, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Support filed a request at Requested moves/Technical requests to return this back to its proper name, Haxz.999 has been indefinitely blocked for his role in moving these articles around.LM2000 (talk) 01:02, 30 June 2015 (UTC)


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Requested move 23 September 2016
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The result of the move request was: Moved &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:12, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Alexander Rusev → Rusev (wrestler) – In light of recent moves such as at Big E (wrestler), Naomi (wrestler) and others, and the acknowledgment that WP:NATDIS calls for not usimg obscure names just for the sake of avoiding parentheticals (not recognized in the above discussion), this seems the most logical move, especially since they dropped the (fictional) first name after only about a month on the main roster, making it rather obscure by general audience standards. oknazevad (talk) 04:44, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Honestly, whenever I see it with the first name, I have to stop and think "Oh yeah, he used to be called that." (talk page stalker)  Crash Under  ride  05:10, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Support as with Big E, Cameron and Naomi, the current name is too obscure to keep at this point.LM2000 (talk) 05:29, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.  Sekyaw  (talk)  19:40, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


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Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2016
Rusev lost the United States Championship at Clash of Champions 2016 49.189.176.215 (talk) 06:44, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * you're point being? The article already reflects he is a two-time US champ, not current. (talk page stalker)  Crash Under  ride  08:19, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 18:44, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2017
Add Aiden English as manager Blackdustwwe (talk) 19:28, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 20:07, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2018
Change "turning face in the process" to "turning fan favorite in the process". They are not faces, as they still are matched vs other faces, and insult the home crowd. They're fan favorites, but WWE hasn't pulled the trigger yet. 98.109.208.119 (talk) 02:37, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  JTP (talk • contribs) 03:27, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

January 2019
I don't get how "he became one of the most popular wrestlers in WWE." is supported in the lead. It should be removed.  Immortal  Wizard  (chat) 12:12, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Change to Miro(wrestler)
Shouldn't we change the article to Miro(wrestler),due to the complications with the rights of Miro's former Name Rusev,because the Character Rusev was first used by WWE,and AEW is not going to the get the rights, since Vince McMahon sees AEW as Rival,what is completely right,because Vince destroy every Booking Idea,like he did with Miro MkIc (talk) 10:15, 12 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Article titles are based on the name the person is most commonly known by (with a small number of exceptions). For now, "Rusev" is the name he is best known by. McPhail (talk) 10:07, 16 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes. He worked for years in WWE as Rusev. He was one of the hottest acts the promotion had. Rusev Day, title matches in WrestleMania. Hard to say Miro is the WP:COMMONNAME with just one day in AEW. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:42, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

"Miro(wrestler)" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Miro(wrestler). The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 12 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Java Hurricane  10:29, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2020
Hey there, I would like to make an edit and add some info in personal info for Miro, also that he was a guest today 19.10 in a bulgarian show. Thanks in advance ! Kind regards, Stef Steffanvs (talk) 08:37, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  -ink&amp;fables     «talk»   09:09, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 12 May 2021
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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ~ Aseleste  (t, e &#124; c, l) 15:02, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Rusev (wrestler) → Miro (wrestler) – He won the AEW TNT Championship in All Elite Wrestling under "Miro" and is no longer using "Rusev" since he was released from WWE in April 2020. The name change has also been reflected in reliable sources. WP:NAMECHANGES - Originalchampion (talk) 02:01, 13 May 2021 (UTC) <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: #FF0000;">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support - In addition to his name at AEW, he has used Miro for all his wrestling-related social media accounts (Twitch, Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube) for the last year. SimLibrarian (talk) 04:32, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak support - I am not sure about this one. Many people still know him as Rusev, but judging by Google Trends data, Miro is a more searched term. Miro's debut was also one of AEW's top viewed videos on YouTube last year. I will lean towards supporting the move, but I am not really feeling too strongly either way. DTH89 (talk) 04:32, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose - his 10 years in WWE (seven of them televised) under the Rusev name still outweigh his seven months in AEW as Miro, in my opinion. McPhail (talk) 08:35, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support - Miro is now his name...gotta go by what IS, not what WAS. Vjmlhds (talk) 11:55, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Just as wrestler change current ring names, we'd best stick to Rusev, as he is better known as such (10 years vs. seven months).  Hansen Sebastian Talk 12:19, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose Support - As many others, 10 years in WWE (televised worldwide, feud against John Cena, wrestling at WrestleMania in front of 100.000 fans) vs 7 months in AEW. (between 800.000 and 1.000.000 viewers and only worked in USA). However, I think it's matter of time, i'm sure in the near future Miro would become the common name. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:21, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support as per WP:NAMECHANGES,  we give extra weight to reliable sources written after the name change. Everything written about Miro since leaving WWE has used his new name. Although his tenure as Rusev at WWE was longer, his current name is definitely Miro. 162 etc. (talk) 14:02, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:45, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support If you would have asked me yesterday, I would have opposed it, however, seeing as he now is a champion in a major wrestling company under the name miro, i am now for the change due to how prevelant his name has become, plus his use of miro for his twitch and youtube names. Mogar101 (talk) 15:27, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak support I think this passes the Brodie Lee/Luke Harper test. An early RM for Brodie failed, but a couple month later it was moved after he won the TNT belt.LM2000 (talk) 18:51, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support - I agree with the above statement. As he's now holding the TNT title (which is AEW's secondary title) I feel that the name should be changed at this point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.226.186.76 (talk) 18:56, 13 May 2021 (UTC)  — 46.226.186.76 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * SUper Duper Support all the way  - His name ain't Rusev no more. It's Miro. Change the article to Miro. You gotta respect what people want to call themselves. He doesn't even own the rights to "Rusev." It's intellectual property of the WWE. Change the damn name already. 174.74.165.50 (talk) 03:37, 16 May 2021 (UTC) — 174.74.165.50 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. What difference does it make if I am a frequent Wikipedia contributor? That's one of the problems with the site, a small number of people do all the edits and block outside contributors. So you have problems like a small, biased clique of people who run and maintain the site and also group think. 174.74.165.50 (talk) 19:07, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support – While yes, he was known by Rusev for a longer period of time in a bigger company, I'd argue that most people who watch wrestling are now accustomed to his current ring name. And like others have said, he now holds one of AEW's championships, which in some ways has been promoted as almost even more important than the AEW World Championship. And also like others have pointed out, reliable sources refer to him as Miro. -- JDC808  ♫  11:55, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2021
New Stage name is Miro, not Rusev. Jpmcgrones (talk) 10:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please wait for the regular closure of the requested move above. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 12:24, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Birth year
On Wikidata, eswiki, ptwiki and dewiki it says he was born in 1985 but here it says he was born in 1984. Which one is right, and if the right one is 1985, should it be changed?  EPIC ( talk ) 17:04, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Per the source in the "early life" section, his wife noted it was his 31st birthday in December 2015, which indicates he was born in 1984. I think we should go with this source unless there's a really compelling secondary source saying otherwise. McPhail (talk) 08:19, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The other wikis use other sources --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:27, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I appreciate there are other sources out there. My point is that we would need a very robust source to "overrule" his wife. McPhail (talk) 10:14, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was answering EPIC. Lana's source is stronger than the others. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:31, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2023
There are two mispellings of Tony Khan's name in the Collision (2023–present) section. These should be spelled as "Tony Kahn" to "Tony Khan", and "Kahn" to "Khan Joe E. Lewis (talk) 20:06, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * done --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 20:57, 13 September 2023 (UTC)