Talk:Mirsaid Sultan-Galiev

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I think we need a talk page specifically on Soltangaliev so that we can see sources about him right here.

I am reading about him in a recently published document collection: I.R. Tagirov (ed.), Neizvestnyi Sultan-Galiev: Rassekrechennye dokumenty i materialy (Kazan': Tatarskoe knyzhnoe izdatel'stvo, 2002). For those not knowing Russian, the title is "The Unknown Sultan-Galiev: declassified documents and materials."

As a first comment, the recent change of his place of birth is contradicted by this source, which states that he was born on 12 July 1892 in the village of Elembet'evo, Ufa province. So, I think I will change this back on the article page. If Rad8 has a source for the change, please post it.--Mrbaker1917 (talk) 10:00, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I have been adding to this entry as I research SG. He was a fascinating person. One thing I would like to do is replace the quotation given with a more complete translation of the article from which that quotation likely came. The quotation at present has no footnote. So, I think I can do this, preferring source based quoting if at all possible. Please let me know if there are any objections.--Mrbaker1917 (talk) 20:46, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I am greatly impressed by your proposal. When I came across Mirsäyet Soltanğäliev in my reading, I never realised that such contributions would be appearing so soon. I have never been able to learn Russian, or Tartar so the information you are sharing opens up an important resource in the English language. For example the quote you have just provided certainly helps an understanding of his political stance;Harrypotter (talk) 16:59, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

The addition concerning Sultan-Galiev's posthumous rehabilitation needs a source.Mrbaker1917 (talk) 14:46, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:33, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Mirsäyet Soltanğäliev → Sultan Galiev – per WP:COMMONNAME & WP:USEENGLISH

Sultan-Galiev, Mir Said Sultan Galiev, Mir Said Sultan-Galiev, Mirsaid Sultan Galiev, Mirsaid Sultan-Galiev are acceptable.

It's very clear Mirsäyet Soltanğäliev is not common name in English.


 * "Mirsäyet Soltanğäliev" -Llc 1

Galiev or Galiyev:
 * "Sultan-Galiyev" -Llc 148
 * "Sultan-Galiev" -Llc 396

Sultan-Galiev (Sultan Galiev) is more common than Sultan-Galiyev (Sultan Galiev)


 * "Mirza Sultan-Galiev" -Llc 31
 * "Mursaid Sultan-Galiev" -Llc 1
 * "Mirsaid Sultan Galiev" -Llc 57
 * "Mir Said Sultan-Galiev" -Llc 68
 * "Mir Sajit Sultan-Galiev" -Llc 4
 * "Mir Sayid Sultan Galiev" -Llc 5
 * "Mir Sayyed Sultan Ali Oghlu" -Llc 1
 * "Mirza Said Sultan-Galiev" -Llc 3
 * "Mirsait Sultan-Galiev" -Llc 6
 * "Mir Sayit Sultan Galiev" -Llc 6

-- Takabeg (talk) 08:44, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Per WP:COMMONNAME & WP:USEENGLISH. Takabeg explained that the name he proposed is "most common in the English language"--Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:04, 30 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Support a move from the current name. However, it would be good to include a given name as well; Maybe Mirsaid Sultan-Galiev which is also congruent with Russian usage?  —  AjaxSmack   10:17, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
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MOve
Now it is wrongly spelled, an English reader may apologize that his pesonal name was Sultan and his family name was Galiev. But it's incorrect. I think all the English traditional names for him are mistaked, so let's use the closest to the Tatar form.

Another question is why Takabeg didn't inform me about the requested move, I had some to object the proposed move (at least to Mirsaid Sultangaliev). --Üñţïf̣ļëŗ ( see also: ә? Ә!) 04:55, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree that a first name should be given as well. "Sultan Galiev" looks a bit like his given name was Sultan and his family name was Galiev.  Something like Mirsaid Sultan-Galiev (my preference), Mirza Sultan-Galiev, or Mir Said Sultan-Galiev would work better.  User:Takabeg has provided Google results above that support these three as the most common English variants online.  —  AjaxSmack   17:46, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm n sure that he is a famous enough to have something like own traditional English name. It seems that all those early English sources originate from the same misspell occurred during the first usage of his name in English. --Üñţïf̣ļëŗ ( see also: ә? Ә!) 05:34, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Move to normal name, not the fake appeared as result of English misspell and internet copy paste

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 21:02, 22 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Sultan Galiev → Mirsaid Sultan-Galiev

– The old name is based on English name misspell that was wrongly posted over the www; the personal name is not Sultan, Sultan (as it isometimes spelled) is a part of the last name. In the transcription system, that is used now, the name should be Mirsaid Sultan-Galiev. Üñţïf̣ļëŗ ( see also: ә? Ә!) 10:16, 15 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. This is the most common transliteration and, unlike the current title, includes a given and a surname, something that is normal for encyclopedia articles.  See also previous discussion above.  —  AjaxSmack   00:14, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
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