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Ahmadiyya Mubahila challenge, With Zia ul Haq on 1988
Ahmadiyya Mubahila challenge

Zia was the president who made the persecution law against the Ahmadiyya Muslim community. The Ahmadiyya community were and are brutally murdered since the law was established in 1974. The Head of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community at the time, Mirza Tahir Ahmad, made a Mubahila challenge to President Zia. The duration of this challenge was one year.

The Mubahila challenge was made on 10 June 1988.[6] However it was not accepted by Zia, as for Mubahala it is important that the challenged person accepts the challenge. However, Mirza Tahir Ahmad mentioned in a later sermon on 12 August 1988 that the challenge applies regardless of its acceptance.[7] Five days later, Zia died. Interestingly, the place where the plane had crashed is called “Lal Kamal” means “Red Miracle”

Islam
He is not a caliph of islam Muneeb137 (talk) 19:49, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

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mirza tahir is not the chaliph of islam 117.102.4.188 (talk) 05:55, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
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Report against Mirza Tahir Ahmed
He is not present caliph os Islam Hidayatullahdee (talk) 06:58, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

All information is misleading. Lisho123456 (talk) 10:40, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

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This article is against islam You should change it to present khalifh of ahmadi group Muslims and islam are irrelevant here And it provkoes muslim in a bad way It is miswritten, misleading Please remove it or update it 77.189.139.138 (talk) 08:41, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
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About real islam
All information provided is misleading, this is not actual islam. Prophet Muhammad(P.B.U.H) is the last Prophet of Allah(God). Lisho123456 (talk) 10:40, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

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He is not the last caliph of islam.The last caliph of islam is hazart Muhammad SAW. Kindly check this and change this plzz.

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Mirza Tahir Ahmad 's role in Pakistan's 1970 elections and advisor to Z A Bhutto
In 1970 Pakistan held its first elections based on universal franchise. Ahmadiyya Community was concerned about the rise of orthodox Islamic parties like Jamaat-i-Islami and Jamiat-i-Ulama-i-Islam. These parties wanted to declare Ahmadiys to be non-Muslims and to relegate the community to minority status. Ahmadiyya Jamaat supported Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's secular left party, the Pakistan People's Party (PPP). According to one of the founding fathers of PPP, Mubashir Hasan:

"Mirza Tahir Ahmed, a brother of Mirza Nasir Ahmed, the head of the Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya, was quite close to Bhutto and would frequently visit him. The network of the Jamaat’s followers was a big source of information. Mirza Nasir Ahmed also remained a de facto adviser of Bhutto, even after the latter came into power." In answer to another question Mubasshir Hasan said; Mirza Tahir Ahmed and the Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya helped the PPP a lot in the election campaign and selection of candidates in Punjab. Mirza Tahir Ahmed had considerable information on the ‘electables’ in different constituencies across the Punjab. Three people selected PPP’s candidates in Punjab, Mustafa Khar, Mirza Tahir Ahmed and myself. Kausar Niazi fought the election from jail and won. His entire campaign was run by the Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya.

This is further confirmed by Rafi Raza, Special Assistant to Z A Bhutto in his book, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and Pakistan, 1967-1977, p. 33. However, things changed as according to Mubashir Hasan it was under pressure from Saudi Arabia Bhutto distance himself from the Ahmadiyyis. In 1974 the Pakistani Parliment declared Ahmadies as non-Muslim. Mirza Tahir Ahmad requested a meeting but Z A Bhutto did not meet with him.

Mirza Tahir Ahmad 's role in Pakistan's 1970 elections
Add the following as his role in Pakistan's history is missing. Two reliable sources are cited.


 * Mirza Tahir Ahmad 's role in Pakistan's 1970 elections and advisor to Z A Bhutto

In 1970 Pakistan held its first elections based on universal franchise. Ahmadiyya Community was concerned about the rise of orthodox Islamic parties like Jamaat-i-Islami and Jamiat-i-Ulama-i-Islam. These parties wanted to declare Ahmadiys to be non-Muslims and to relegate the community to minority status. Ahmadiyya Jamaat supported Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's secular left party, the Pakistan People's Party (PPP). According to one of the founding fathers of PPP, Mubashir Hasan:

"Mirza Tahir Ahmed, a brother of Mirza Nasir Ahmed, the head of the Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya, was quite close to Bhutto and would frequently visit him. The network of the Jamaat’s followers was a big source of information. Mirza Nasir Ahmed also remained a de facto adviser of Bhutto, even after the latter came into power." In answer to another question Mubasshir Hasan said; Mirza Tahir Ahmed and the Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya helped the PPP a lot in the election campaign and selection of candidates in Punjab. Mirza Tahir Ahmed had considerable information on the ‘electables’ in different constituencies across the Punjab. Three people selected PPP’s candidates in Punjab, Mustafa Khar, Mirza Tahir Ahmed and myself. Kausar Niazi fought the election from jail and won. His entire campaign was run by the Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya.

This is further confirmed by Rafi Raza, Special Assistant to Z A Bhutto in his book, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and Pakistan, 1967-1977, p. 33. However, things changed as according to Mubashir Hasan it was under pressure from Saudi Arabia Bhutto distance himself from the Ahmadiyyis. In 1974 the Pakistani Parliment declared Ahmadies as non-Muslim. Mirza Tahir Ahmad requested a meeting but Z A Bhutto did not meet with him. 2607:9880:1978:BC:6CCB:E965:B3F1:8CCF (talk) 22:32, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
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Fake.
This is totally lie. He is not the Caliph of Muslim? How can be a Non-Muslim is caliph of Muslim. Qadayani are not Muslims. This is totally fake information. Please remove this from Wikipedia 27.255.12.238 (talk) 19:16, 5 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia isn’t taking sides in this dispute. Christianity has similar issues, one group saying the others aren’t Christians. Doug Weller  talk 19:21, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

He is not the Caliph of Muslim? How can a Non-Muslim become caliph of Muslims?
This is totally lie. He is not the Caliph of Muslims? How can a Non-Muslim become the caliph of Muslims? Qadayani is not Muslims. This is totally fake information. Please remove this from Wikipedia 204.87.74.12 (talk) 14:43, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesn't say that. Read WP:CALIPH.  Pepper Beast    (talk)  20:31, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

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