Talk:Misato Katsuragi/Archive 1

USAGI???
OK, they're both voiced by Kotono Mitsuishi, but the business about the hair makes no sense. Sailor Moon and Misato do not have the same or remotely similar hairstyles. The reference is in Japanese so I can't argue with it directly, but anyone who's even seen both characters should see there's something wrong here. The intention may be to state that Misato is a look at how Usagi might have grown up, but that seems very wrong. And isn't stated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.166.212.243 (talk) 14:37, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

AADD or "career woman"?
Well I think she does have AADD! Or does a "career woman" behave in such a childish but energetical way and drink "breakfast beer" like Misato? --Hattakiri 23:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

She could also have OCD, schizophrenia or any number of other conditions. She could also just be a childish person who puts on a serious face for work. Until we have word from Yosiyuki Sadamoto or GAINAX, speculation about any disorder Misato may have is pure conjecture and statements to the contrary, such as putting the character on a list of fictional characters who are 'diagnosed with, or positively identified as having attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) within their respective works' is not NPOV. It's your POV. Hrimfaxi 10:51, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

NGE was released in 1995, so Anno's depression must be long before that. Outside USA ADHD has become known in 2001 (there was an international conference). Thus we have the widespread phenomenon, that in the past the symptoms were known, but not the syndrom. (it's a pitty that my article "Characters with ADHD" still only is available in German. Notice: The German admins allowed it!) --Hattakiri 01:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm inclined to believe she's bipolar. I am very similar to her in this respect and in other respects, right down to the birthday, though she's seven days younger. I am also very similar to Sakaki-san and Osaka from Azumanga Daioh, to the point that they are probably bipolar, as well. River, from Firefly, and Nono, from Gunbuster 2, also, is like me in the bipolarness. I have been diagnosed bipolar, and I'm similar to all these characters to varying amounts, even if they are works of fiction. Life imitates art. That's probably why there are no appropriate pictures for the Orgasm page, either. When it comes down to it, Hideaki Anno probably is bipolar. Galactiger 20:20, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Penpen
Is it worth mentioning her pet penguin in her bio?--70.110.56.53
 * A short blurb mentioning him might not be a bad idea, but the big list of Evangelion characters gives a lot of his information. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 04:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Liking pets is one of the things lonely people do. I think it's worth mentioning Galactiger 20:23, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

she talks with charm
I love the way she talks... should we mention? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.17.165.215 (talk • contribs). 04:59, 19 August 2006

Uh, no, that's not really worth mentioning. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 04:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Alcoholic?
I question whether Misato falls into the "fictional alcoholics" category or whether she just drinks alot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.64.137.66 (talk • contribs).
 * She's not an actual alcoholic she just drinks more than she should. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 21:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Episode 23
In episode 23, I got the impression that Misato was, in fact, coming on to Shinji in an attempt at comfort (it seems she knows no other way.) Also, in one of the first episodes, she jokes that she "won't put any moves" on Shinji. A Freudian slip? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.230.166.189 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 15 October 2006
 * It could certainly be interpreted that way (and if that was indeed the case, then Shinji's rejection might be an unusually perceptive move on his part), but as this is just a possible interpretation and to my knowledge has not been officially backed up, it's not fit for inclusion in the article. Don't forget to sign your posts. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 16:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Referencing the bedroom scene, the Newtype Filmbook (written in consultation with GAINAX) for episode 23 ("Rei III") specifically states that Misato was offering her body to Shinji. Evageeks.org would be a helpful first stop for verification/citation purposes, if interested. Chokhmah264 (talk) 10:16, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Bochan_bird's translations says 'she may have intended' it. --Gwern (contribs) 02:39 27 February 2012 (GMT)

Misato's car.
Misato's car being an alpine a310 isint spicific enough. The a310 wiki shows a car similar but not identical to misatos, noting mostly changes to the lighting fixtures at the front and bonnet.

Misatos car is actually a Renault alpine A310 1600ve, as shown in the below link.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3157/a3101600huber02lu5.jpg

You will note the bonnet air intake detail is copied onto everything from plugsuits to the evas themselves. This car speaks volumes about misatos car mania, in that they are extremely difficult to find. Only 30 are believed to be in the US right now inlcuding all design varients. This was due to the car being discontinued after renault bought alpine. It was a car made noteworthy by its affordability and comfort, while its low weight allowed it to reach 130 mph.  Evamonkey 09:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Misato's Blood Type
A addition was recently made to the trivia section which I took the liberty of rephrasing slightly. The trivia piece is as follows:"According to Misato's ID card, a glimpse of which is seen in episode 8 of the series, she is 1.63 meters tall and her blood type is AO (However the sections of the card listing her age and weight have been scribbled out due to embarrassment)."In adding the wikilink for blood type I decided to do a bit of research on that subject so I could perhaps quote some statistics on the rarity of Misato's blood type (Which I already thought was rather rare). From my research it seems that Misato's has the rarest blood type ever because according to the article on blood types and the ABO blood group system you cannot have a blood type of AO. You see there are only four main blood types: A, B, AB and O. The following parahraph from the page on blood types at the American Red Cross Education Centre explains why such a blood type is impossible:"When we talk about blood type, we are usually referring to the typing of red cells. We are looking for the presence or absence of the A or B antigen, and the Rh (or D) antigen, a protein substance which is found on the surface of the red cell. (If you are type O, you lack both the A and the B antigen.)"Now the question is, is the information presented in the article false or was it an intentional error on Gainax's half? --cheese-cube 04:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I added that: you don't understand.  You see, "blood type" is based on having two alleles of a gene.  A gene codes for something; as DNA is double-stranded, the section of the gene on each strand is an allele; you get one allele from your father and one from your mother.  Anyways, "blood type" is based on having either the A antigen, the B antigen, or not having an antigen at all:  this "blank" antigen allelle is referred to as "O" but actually means "none"


 * There's a difference between phenotype (what is visibly expressed) and genotype (actual genetic material). There are basically 4 blood PHENOTYPES under this system:  A, B, AB, and O.  However, there are SIX genotypes.  AB has one A allele, one B allele.  "Type O" actually has two "blanks".  That's why type O is the universal donor; contains no antigens so no one reacts to it (Meanwhile, AB contains BOTH; so you can ACCEPT any blood but it's hard to donate).  "Type A" can actually mean "type AA" or "type AO">the point is that you only need ONE functional antigen allele to make it work.  You don't have twice as much "A" if you're an AA.  Meanwhile, there is no difference with AO's because they're a functional A and a blank.  Her ID card was just really thorough; it actually didn't need to list that she was "AO" at all, for transfusion purposes all that matters is that she's "A".  The Japanese have this whole blood type theory of personality, which is why anime characters frequently have their blood type listed.  There are of course, actually 8 basic blood types, the primary 4 and also the Rh group; if you're positive or negative.  Positives that have the Rh factor can accept Rh negative blood because it just lacks the Rh antigen; Rh negatives react against the Rh factor.  ***the thing is that less than 1% of Japanese are Rh negative; it's a nation of almost completely Rh positives.  So they assign no meaning to Rh group (of course, this means that if you are an Rh negative it is ridiculously hard to get blood transfusions in Japan).--Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 21:30, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Reorganization
This article could stand to be reorganized...if I get time tonight, I'll try to do some work. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 20:47, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'll find the time. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 01:50, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I've stricken a lot of the most obviously speculative and unsourced material from the Mental Health section. What that section really needs is material from Anno, Sadamoto, and others connected to the show that directly relates to her mental and emotional state. I know Sadamoto mentions something about her in the bonus materials to vol. 1 of the manga, but I don't have it handy to add in ATM. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 16:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, much of that was flat out speculative stuff; plus guessing about her being "alcoholic"; she just likes drinking alot. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 16:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I've got most of the reorganization and rewriting done that I was planning on doing...I'll probably tweak it some more after I get home, but the major changes I wanted to make have been accomplished. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 18:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Is Misato a Christian?
Given that Misato prominently wears a crucifix medallion, is she a Christian? And thus, should we put her in "Category: Fictional Christians"?--Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 19:44, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Remember the statement about the Christian symbols having little meaning in Eva. Don't we often see in Japanese products an eclecticism? She's no more Christian than Gendo is Jewish for being obsessed with the Tree of Life. Besides, it's very unlikely - Christians make up, what, 1% of the Japanese populace? --Gwern (contribs) 20:06 12 May 2007 (GMT)


 * And Ritsuko is a green eyed blonde Japanese native. Where some see coincidence, I see providence. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 20:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, come on. She's obviously wearing contacts and is a bottle-blonde, as we say around here. --Gwern (contribs) 23:36 12 May 2007 (GMT)


 * You have just shattered my innocence, sir. Okay...maybe she just wears the crucifix because it is her father's....but was her father?--Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 00:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It had to go, sooner or later. Innocence has no place in an encyclopedia!
 * As for her father, who knows? Again, I argue it's unlikely for Misato and that all the evidence that can be adduced is more easily explained in other ways, but it'd be easy for her father to be Christian; unless we pull up some sources, "Whereof one cannot speak, one must be silent". --Gwern (contribs) 01:07 13 May 2007 (GMT)
 * I highly doubt that either Misato or her father were Christian. The pendant may have had some significance to her father, but the nature of the Katsuragi Expedition (in fact, the gist of everything that SEELE and NERV were trying to accomplish in the series) is inherently anti-Christian...after all, the notion of storming back into the Garden of Eden through Instrumentality goes against the grain of redemption through Jesus a little bit.  * dripping sarcasm *  Also, the series makes it abundantly clear that Ritsuko is a bottle blonde (the ep that introduces Rei I, if I remember right). Willbyr (talk | contribs) 01:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I know that Ritsuko dyes her hair I was just being sarcastic. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 02:32, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Relationships
What's the confusion regarding the Relationships section? I tried to make that as clear as I could when I rewrote it. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 12:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Per the discussion that Malkinann and I have started regarding this topic: User talk:Malkinann - anyone else have comments/suggestions? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 14:19, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Pretty good stuff, Malkinann. I'm gonna do some tinkering, LMK what works and what doesn't. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 05:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

In-universe?
What specifically needs to be addressed about this section to resolve this issue? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 15:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Try not to treat her as if she's real in the prose. More iterations of 'in the series' and less diagnosis of her illnesses.  (unless it's actually mentioned in the series).  Is there any information about her character design around?  (eg. the cross being another example of Anno saturating the series with Christian-esque symbols) -Malkinann 21:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll try to work in some episode references...it's been a long time since I've watched the series so I might get some of the links wrong. As far as "diagnosing" her, I think one of the episodes states that she didn't speak for a few years after Second Impact, but I don't remember which one it was...the original wording in the article was "in a mute, near-catatonic state and refused social interaction."  I think I have an idea for a compromise wording on that...I wonder if selective mutism would be a better link than plain muteness.  As far as her character design, I haven't seen or heard anything regarding whether or not she's based on anyone. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 23:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Finished (for now)...how's it look? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 23:40, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks a fair sight better.. it may want a peer review + copyedit before going to GAC, but I think it's sufficiently OOU now, and less confusing. - Malkinann 22:46, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool Willbyr (talk | contribs) 23:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I did some inter-episode linking and rewriting...hopefully, I didn't screw anything up. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 04:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Fanfiction
I've moved out the stuff on fanfic pairings of Misato/Shinji(/Asuka/Rei) because I don't think it's encyclopaedic, nor is it cited. -Malkinann 21:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Misato is sometimes paired up with Shinji in fan fiction. This is usually associated with lemon fiction and can be considered a form of shotacon. Reasons for this pairing often include loneliness, sorrow, and desperation. Much of the remaining fiction is comparatively lighthearted in tone, and sometimes includes either Rei or Asuka (or both) in what amounts to a group relationship.
 * Good call. I don't see this material getting referenced anytime soon, I wouldn't miss it if it was completely removed...it could always be restored from older versions of the article. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 23:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Kiss
This may sound ridiculous to discuss, but I Just watched the end today and I don't remember seeing any tongue when she kisses Shinji. Considering that the article goes so far as to link to "French Kiss", I seems like this should be correct. In the sub that I was watching she calls it an "adult kiss". Unless a more accurate translation describes it as a "french kiss", or unless someone sees some tongue that I don't, I'm going to change this to exactly how she describes it - either "kiss" or "adult kiss". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.126.93.88 (talk) 22:40, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * this is indeed ridiculous (through no fault of yours) so I'll put this as dignified as possible: in context, Misato obviously "tongue-kissed" Shinji.  The dialogue doesn't actually say the words "french kiss" or something and moreover, you don't see it specifically.  Therefore, while leaving the AWL comment in, we shouldn't officially link it to the article for "French Kiss".  --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici (talk) 00:04, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

"(In the DVD commentary for The End of Evangelion, Amanda Winn-Lee jokingly states to Misato that "...you cleaned his tonsils with your tongue! That's not a very 'motherly' thing to do!!")" I don't think this opinion is relevant to the discussion, in first place, she isn't the original seiyuu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bass-Kuroi (talk • contribs) 00:16, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Very negative article
Personally, i see this character in a far more positive light than this article states. When it comes to characters in the Evangelion universe, i see her as one of the most dedicated and responsible. Though she generally leads an edgy and physical life, it's through this that she maintains a connection to reality the other characters all run from, unlike what the article states. When it comes down to the line, she always has the needs of others in mind and a plan to make things work. I guess i'm just saying it might be prudent to label such negativity as interpretations of her character and not definite truths, and perhaps mention some positives about her that are also interpretations of the character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.142.215 (talk • contribs)


 * So dig up some positive RSs. --Gwern (contribs) 20:45 20 June 2010 (GMT)