Talk:Miss Moneypenny

Moneypenny's First Name
It should be noted that while Moneypenny does not make an appearance in Casino Royale, when Vesper Lynd makes her appearance on the train she states "I'm the money" to which Bond replys "Every penny of it" perhaps in homage of the missing character. 16:37, 03 Jan 2007 (PST)

Miss Moneypenny's first name? advise Avatar007@aol.com


 * In one film Bond calls her "Penny". Whilst "Penny Moneypenny" isn't that absurd compared to some female names in the Bond world ("Pussy Galore", "Mary Goodnight", "Holly Goodhead", "Xenia Onatopp" etc...), I wouldn't automatically take this as anything more than a shortened form of Moneypenny. Timrollpickering 21:05, 17 May 2004 (UTC)

Jane Moneypenny
Given the confirmation of her first name in the new Moneypenny Diaries books, I have adjusted the infobox and intro accordingly. I am, however, refraining from moving the article to Jane Moneypenny since so many articles would have to be changed as a result. 23skidoo 21:03, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

POV
"classic" is POV PMA 08:26, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

"Inspirational basis"
This section read:

"Paddy Bennett played a key role in an operation, devised by Ian Fleming, to deceive German Intelligence over the site of the D-Day landings by letting a body of a uniformed British naval officer fall into German hands complete with briefcase containing intelligence information pointing to landings in the Pas de Calais region (this operation has been immortalised in the film The Man Who Never Was). She helped create the false persona for the body by creating a paper trail that would satisfy German Intelligence that the naval officer existed, including many love letters."

To which someone has added accurately (but not in Wikipedia style) - "Comment: 'The Man Who Never Was' - based on Operation Mincemeat - refers to a plan to deceive the Germans about the invasion of Italy - NOT D-Day."

As this is unsourced, we can't tell whether Ms. Bennett was involved in Operation Mincemeat or Operation Fortitude. I have cut back the whole section until someone can clarify. -- Beardo 00:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

video games
i removed the part saying that her only appearance is in the video game from russia with love because she also appears in the world is not enough game as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.226.132.77 (talk) 01:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

bond and moneypenny according to fleming
it says in the beginning of the article that their attraction is non-existant in the fleming books, but then later it goes on to say that fleming said moneypenny dreamed endlessly of bond. it doesnt make sense —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.246.217 (talk) 02:43, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

other new facts of Moneypenny.
Could someone post these facts here.

-In Skyfall, for the 1rst time a black Moneypenny. -Also some kind of sexual/romantic relationship between her and 007. -Could be regarded as a fully Bond-girl in Skyfall.


 * Could you provide a reliable citation to support the fact that they have a relationship and that she is now considered a Bond girl? - SchroCat (talk) 10:00, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * It's right there in the film! Several minutes of fireworks, Bond sailing through a tunnel, etc.  There's no ambiguity about it, the new Moneypenny, unlike the old one, is a Bond girl. -- 07:41, 28 January 2013 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.131.245.216 (talk)
 * That counts as interpretation and original research. A reliable source has to say what you're saying so that we can cite them. DonQuixote (talk) 12:44, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Moneypenny is a daughter?
Eve Moneypenny in Skyfall was an agent before becoming the new M's personal assistant. Quite clearly she is a different person, and a younger one, than the Moneypenny in the early books/films. I suspect she may be a daughter, adopted or by birth to the first Miss Moneypenny. Hambleton (talk) 22:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmmmm... That's about as good a definition of WP:OR as I've ever come across. Apart from the fact that Casino Royale was a reboot, which allowed them to do lots of things, there was a different Bond in Daniel Craig... is he a younger brother of Brosnan? Was Connery his Dad and Dalton his uncle? Find a WP:RELIABLESOURCE to go with the outlandish theory. - SchroCat (talk) 23:07, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I will write an article for a newspaper on this clearly reasonable theory and then we can cite that as a WP:RELIABLESOURCE Hambleton (talk) 00:52, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


 * See WP:NOTRELIABLE: it would be classed as a self-published source. Generally it's a fringe theory and would therefore fail WP:PSCI. - SchroCat (talk) 03:54, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

This is more than a forgivable glitch in the storyline, brought on by younger actors replacing older ones. The problem is that in the Skyfall plot itself, Bond is ageing: his over-the-hill status is an issue, his previous adventures are history, and his DB-8 has been garaged for some time. Given the storyline, he cannot possibly be meeting "Jane" Moneypenny for the first time, so Eve is necessarily a different person. Within the fictional Bond universe, this is a "fact" that Wikipedia can take notice of. The writers will have to come up with an explanation for the fantastic coincidence in names, and a daughter or niece would seem to be the obvious choices. (A daughter, NOT adopted, would be the most interesting twist they could give to the series.) Until the writers make their choice known, however, her identity is speculative, and not Wikipedia material. 98.14.227.73 (talk) 13:09, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, and I'm looking for a sufficient source to back this up, but wasn't the 2006 film version of Casino Royale explicitly designed as a reboot? I thought that the whole idea was to shed Bond of 45 years of cumbersome filmed backstory and start all anew--Bond is a newly-appointed 00 agent, et cetera.  In that case, discussion of the new Moneypenny's relationship to the old is pointless; she's a reinvention of an established character, and the text of the article should reflect that, no? 69.204.5.12 (talk) 05:13, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Lois Maxwell / Miss Moneypenny promotion to M
Just querying what Roger Moore meant when he said that he'd like to see Maxwell play M. When I read the line "I think it was a great disappointment to her that she had not been promoted to play M" that to me meant that Maxwell wanted to be given the role of M in a subsequent film. This does not in itself imply that the character of Moneypenny would be promoted to M, it could simply be that Maxwell would be recast in a different role. Thanks &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:42, 22 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I've put it back to your last version, which I think is correct. There isn't much clarity in what Moore said, but I think it would have been difficult for such a long-term actor in the series to have been re-cast from Moneypenny to someone else (although just as difficult for M's PA to take the top job too!). - SchroCat (talk) 10:46, 22 September 2014 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks. As you say, we don't really know what Moore meant, but this seems to be the safer interpretation of his actual words, taking them at face value. As you say, it was probably a pipe dream for her to take the role in either case... even the idea of a female M was probably pretty radical until Judi Dench came and made the role hers! &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:49, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Rank
she holds the rank of second officer in the Women's Royal Naval Service. "Second officer" is a function aboard a vessel, if I'm not mistaken, not a rank. She seems to hold the rank of lieutenant according to the picture.
 * Actually Second Officer was an actual rank of the Women's Royal Naval Service, until the latter's dissolution in 1993. As the picture clearly shows her blue insignia (as opposed to the gold of a - male - lieutenant), she is/was a WREN with the rank of Second Officer. A more recent film may present her in uniform, giving us a clearer idea of her post-1993 rank. 217.167.255.177 (talk) 10:24, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your original research. However, an encyclopaedia such as Wikipedia works by citing and summarising reliable sources such that any information can be verified by the general reader without specialist knowledge. Also, this article is about the character in general, of which the film version is one version. Thanks. DonQuixote (talk) 12:24, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

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