Talk:Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children (film)/Archive 1

Minor editing of the premise
The premise says that jacob "accidentaly works himself onto the island where the orfanage is", but the trailer suggest that someone (on of the peculiar children) led him to the orfanage (besides following the clues). I that line of the premise should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumerwritter (talk • contribs) 23:42, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * "accidentally works himself" sounds funny, that we should keep it that way to entertain the movie-anticipating readers, for at least until the movie is released. SquidHomme (talk) 23:51, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It does indeed "sound funny", possibly because it is NOT ENGLISH. The point of language is to convey meaning. Will somebody who knows the plot please change it to a form of words that communicates the sense intended. GrindtXX (talk) 12:46, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Character mismatch
Under Ella and Laurens character description it says, “DO NOT CHANGE. Changes have been made in the film from the book. This particular character's (Emma) powers have been switched with another one's (Olive), while she retains her name in the book.” Well, Ella Purnell is playing Emma Bloom, who in the film can control air, whilst Lauren McCrostie plays Olive Abroholos Elephanta, who in the film has pyrokinesis. This is verified by both IMDb, and the trailer. This wiki is about the film, not the book. So, even though Emma had pyrokinesis and Olive had aerokinesis in the book, in the movie it is reversed, and it makes little to no sense to have the film wiki reflect the book, rather than the film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1c0:4e02:2138:7078:5d40:4257:b966 (talk • contribs) 05:24, June 21, 2016 (UTC)

"Nationality" of the film
The infobox says it's a US film, but the intro says that it's a US-British co-production and cautions against listing either country right now. What's the best description, and what reliable sources support that assertion? —C.Fred (talk) 13:16, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Change of link
The South Korean film ASURA mentioned in BOX OFFICE section is correct,but when you click it the link opens an Indian local language (Telugu) movie of the same name ASURA. TheEpicUsername (talk) 04:52, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Unnecessary and erroneous links.
I suggest that several of the links currently present in the article are unnecessary or wrong, such as:

Fiona's power has nothing to do with Poison Ivy, nor Bronwyn's power with Hysterical strength (The article on HS is focused on the natural fenomenon of people exhibiting extraordinary strength during adrenaline rushes). Miss Edwards is described as half-simian, with a link pointing to Dragon Ball. Also, Emma's power links to weather manipulation (similar to Storm in the Marvel comics), which I'd say is both unaccurate (her power reduces to air, for what we can see) and an imprecise link, because the linked article refers strictly to weather manipulation through technological means.

In my personal opinion, none of them are actually necessary. I think links should be used as a reference for cases when a power isn't clear by the description, and in all these cases, I think the power can be properly described without the need of a link. Therefore, I'd like to put forward a proposal to remove these links.

Additionally, I think there are several links that are simply unnecessary. For example, the link to "model" in the description of Horace, the link to "bees" in the description of Hugh, the link to "mask" and "twin" in the description of the twins, and the links to "psychiatrist" and "ornithologist" in the description of Barron's disguises as Dr. Golan and John Lemmon, as well as the descriptions of Miss Edwards abilities of agility, dexterity and mobility. I don't think any of these links is actually necessary, and in my opinion they clutter the page.

I had begun to edit them out, but then I thought I'd better set up a proposal. I'm in favor of removing them.

Any opinions? Not A Superhero (talk) 04:34, 19 October 2016 (UTC)


 * What links are you talking about? I have looked through the article and I see no link that clutters the article. Additionally links to other articles are important towards the revalence of other articles. There are a lot more important issues to sort out with the article before we start worrying about the links. KDTW Flyer  (talk) 11:56, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Plot cleanup
As you can see by reviewing the article history, there have been several edits to the plot section, mostly by me and by IP user 74.14.134.175, regarding the level of detail in the plot summary.

According to [|the manual of style regarding film plots] and [|the manual of style regarding fiction plot summaries], plot summaries should be kept if possible between 400 and 700 words, unless the complexity of the story requires it to be longer. To be honest, I don't think this is the case. Even a film with a plot as complex as Inception has a plot summary under 1,000 words long.

Still, I don't want to engage on an edit war regarding this, so I'd like to initiate a discussion about the level of detail we should keep in the plot summary.

Specially, since I'm in favor of reducing it, I'd like to propose the deletion of several details that, in my opinion, serve nothing to advance the plot. I'll put them in bold and comment under every paragraph:


 * For years, Abraham "Abe" Portman (Terence Stamp) has told stories to his grandson, Jacob "Jake" Portman (Asa Butterfield) about his childhood battling creepy tall gruesome monsters and spending part of World War II living at "Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children" by the coast of Wales. The home's residents and their headmistress, Miss Alma LeFay Peregrine (Eva Green), possess strange but unique abilities and are known as "Peculiars".

I think the full names of Abe, Jake and Miss Peregrine can be saved for the Cast section. They are referred during all the plot summary as simply Abe, Jake and Miss Peregrine.

I think both the sentences "creepy tall gruesome monsters" and "strange but unique abilities" give nothing in addition to simply stating "monsters" and "unique abilities" (Or even better, "paranormal" abilities).


 * When Jake receives a frantic phone call from his grandfather, he and his drugstore coworker and supervisor Shelly (O-Lan Jones) rush to Abe's house. In the woods behind the house, Jake finds his grandfather with his eyes removed, and he tells Jake to find "the bird, the loop and September 3, 1943" before dying. Jake sees one of the monsters from Abe's stories, behind Shelly, but when she turns back and shoots, the monster disappears.

I don't think it's relevant for the plot either where Shelly and Jake work, or the fact that she's his supervisor. I think saying it simply as "his coworker Shelly" would make for a clearer reading.


 * Following the advice of his psychiatrist, Dr. Golan (Allison Janney), and a lead from a letter written 2 years earlier by Miss Peregrine to Abe, Jake and his father Franklin (Chris O'Dowd) travel to Wales.

Franklin isn't mentioned again in the plot summary, and overall I think his role is pretty unimpactful to the plot. I propose not mentioning him by name, just stating "Jake and his father travel to Wales".


 * Jake is introduced to the rest of the children, including Emma Bloom (Ella Purnell), an aerokinetic girl lighter than air who was in love with Abe before, and necromancer Enoch O'Connor (Finlay MacMillan) (who's jealous of Jake, and also was of Abe). Jake learns that one of the children, a super-strong Victor Bruntley (Louis Davinson) was previously killed by another "invisible" monster, and that, like Abe, he's also a Peculiar who have the power of seeing these monsters.

I don't think Enoch's jealousy towards Jake is relevant to the plot. About Emma, it might be more relevant to mention her attraction towards Jake than her former attraction towards Abe. And about Victor, I don't think we need to mention either his name or his abilities in the plot summary, since he's not mentioned again in the summary, and his abilities don't play any part in the plot. (After all, he's dead)


 * Miss Peregrine explains that those monsters, named "Hollowgasts" (or "Hollows"), are former normal Peculiar humans who were transformed after performing a failed experiment on themselves trying to harvest the powers of an Ymbryne (which was killed in the process) to attain immortality. Led by shapeshifter Mr. Barron (Samuel L. Jackson), they hunt Peculiars (and sometime Non-Peculiars) and consume their eyeballs enough to became "Wights", visible normal Peculiar humans but with also glowing milky-white eyes.

I think the phrase "normal Peculiar humans" is both contradictory and redundant. Peculiars are still humans, but they're not normal, so I think it would be better to simply state it as "Peculiars". In the second time it appears in this paragraph, we might replace it as something like "Peculiars who regained their humanity, but with milky white eyes".

About the "and sometime Non-Peculiars" I think it might be confusing to have it here, since it may suggest that also consuming non-Peculiar eyes helps the Hollows to become Wights.

As Emma is walking Jake back to his own time through the cave, they find a wounded Ymbryne avocet bird named Miss Esmeralda Avocet (Judi Dench). Emma takes her to the children's home to be nursed back to health, and Jake discovers a letter from Abe revealing that Mr. Barron is stalking a time loop at a seaside carnival at Blackpool, England in 2016 (half a year before the present) created by Miss Avocet. She reveals later to Miss Peregrine, Jake and the children that Barron raided her loop, killed her children and is trying to repeat his experiment with even more Ymbrynes. Afraid, Miss Peregrine decided to move out with her children and Miss Avocet to another "more" safe house.

I don't think Miss Avocet's bird shape is necessary for the summary, nor the exact description of miss Avocet's loop. And finally, I don't understand why whe're putting "more" in quote marks. What would be the purpose of that?

(I'll continue with this later. In the meantime, Any thoughts?) Not A Superhero (talk) 06:41, 25 October 2016 (UTC)


 * It definitely needs to be shortened, it just spoils the whole story, -- KDTW Flyer (talk) 20:20, 25 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your edits, I think they make the summary a lot better. Not A Superhero (talk) 06:15, 26 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Your welcome, it's very nice to hear that!!! Have a wonderful day, KDTW Flyer  (talk) 11:47, 26 October 2016 (UTC)