Talk:Miss Universe/Archive 3

Fancruft?
On every page about contests and/or competitions have list of the greatest champions. This is the purpose of events like this. Remove the list of the greatest champions is how to remove the main information.

There was no discussion about the removal of information, which I consider wrong, because no was applied in other similar pages which also contains such a list. The page about the Summer Olympic Games and any other competition also has list of greatest champions. I think this is no Fancruft. -Gusthes (talk) 07:32, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * What I removed was not a list of great champions but an unsourced list of countries. There were no sources given (and I failed to find them) to back up this list, making the list WP:OR and fancruft (only interesting for fans). Beside: you should read WP:OTHERSTUFF what more less says that the existence of other stuff has no influence on other articles. The Banner talk 10:36, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Trump v Univision lawsuit
Should there be any reference to the lawsuit between Donald Trump and Univision regarding NBC dropping the pageant? It is included on the Miss USA page and have added citations to that being settled. As it was not here originally, is it encyclopedic enough to include here as well? OpenDoc3551 (talk) 17:26, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2017
67.245.87.190 (talk) 22:45, 5 January 2017 (UTC) My request is that you add miss universe 1998 to the list of past titleholders thank you!!!!!!
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Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2017
50.65.38.90 (talk) 23:33, 30 January 2017 (UTC) The previous year's titleholder does a voice-over while doing her final walk before the winner was announced.
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Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2017
Miss universe 1977 Janelle Commissiong, South Africa should actually be Janelle Commissiong, Trinidad and Tobago. She represented Trinidad and Tobago, not South Africa. Please change to such 138.59.24.15 (talk) 15:47, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
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Protected edit request on 6 August 2017
Hello,

Please revert the edit made at 6:56 on 26 July 2017‎ by user Youaretheoneinmymind as is it not verifiable.

Revert: "It is held in more than 190 countries worldwide and seen by more than 2 billion people annually" to: "It is held in more than 190 countries worldwide and seen by more than half a billion people annually."

Or else, remove the sentence all together as the link has expired.

70.55.49.246 (talk) 00:17, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 01:03, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Choppy sentences
"Along with Miss World and Miss Earth, Miss Universe is one of the most important and publicized beauty pageants in the world;[2][3][4][5] together with Miss International, the group is known as Big Four international beauty pageants.[6][7][8][9][10]" Why are these two separate sentences? And why are there so many references? Surely it doesn't need a handful of citations for each of those statements.--Khajidha (talk) 16:23, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, Khajidha. I'm glad you brought this up.  The odd sentence structure is intended to acknowledge the existence of the Big Four international beauty pageants, but at the same time to separate out the Miss International contest as being of lesser importance.  The sources that are being used to do this are not particularly authoritative in the field of pageantry.  And three of them date to a one-month period surrounding the 2009 Miss Universe pageant (the fourth is from a year earlier and appears in something called the New Electric Paper).  All four articles have something in common -- they are all discussing just the Miss Universe pageant, none of them are discussing the relative importance of the four pageants and none of them are discussing pageantry in general.  As for the three 2009 articles, they all simply identify Miss World and Miss Earth as being "rivals" of Miss Universe in being "the most publicised" international pageants.  And they all do so in what is substantially the same language.  Two of them do so in paragraphs that give background information on the Miss Universe pageant and both use near-identical language.  I have little doubt that these articles are merely repeating press-kit statements issued by the Miss Universe Organisation. But regardless of the authority or independence of the information, I question whether it makes any sense at all for us to be ranking other pageants in the lede for this article.  It seems enough to note that the pageant is one of the Big Four international beauty pageants and to defer any discussion of ranking them to the latter article.  When I first tried to make this change a while back, I was met with opposition from a single editor.  Would you support this change if I were to try again? By the way, the same sentence appears in the articles on Miss World and Miss Earth and, for the same reasons as given here, these should be revised, as well.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 01:18, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed on all points. I don't know enough about the topic to fix it, I just know that the article is currently a mess. Go for it. --Khajidha (talk) 14:40, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
 * PS - The phrasing on the Miss International page seems perfect to me.--Khajidha (talk) 14:43, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Rules regarding number of contestants per country
During the 2018 pageant, The U.S. effectively had 3 contestants; The United States, Puerto Rico and Guam. Are territories considered separately eligible entrants? If so, could we get clarification on that in the rules section? It did not seem to be controversial, so I'm assuming it was well within the rules. It would be good to see this clarified within the article by people more knowledgeable of the rules (with verifiable references, of course). Thanks! Juneau Mike (talk) 14:52, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

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Regarding claim being "most watched"
The introduction of the article claims that the Miss Universe pageant is is the "largest pageant in the world in terms of live TV coverage" as it airs in 190 countries and has an audience of over 500 million people". This is taken (formerly word-for-word) from the cited source (link). has asserted, to the violation of 3RR, that this is not the case. I'm pinging them here in an attempt to begin discussion.

Are there sources to show what this user asserts in the edit summaries: "Based on preventing contradicting information as Miss World also claims to be the most watched annual event on television. It goes against Wikipedia's policy and in order to prevent vandalism - it should be removed." and "The edit was a personal bias towards an organization which goes against Wikipedia policy." and "Unfounded as Miss World is the World's most watch annual event; Miss Universe is not broadcast in most countries in the europe and the middle east. Miss World is the only pageant to be broadcast in most countries." ?  Mr. Gerbear | Talk 03:31, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I see IWW has removed the claim again, and I was going to restore it, but now that I think about it, this is a pretty contentious claim, we'd want a good source. The Miss Universe organization is a primary source, clearly they have an interest in promoting their pageant. Is NewFrame.com that good a source? I haven't heard of it before. The fact that it's using the exact same numbers in an off-hand sentence makes me suspicious, could they just be quoting the Miss Universe organization without checking their numbers, or, worse, could they just be quoting us, Wikipedia, quoting the Miss Universe organization? Citogenesis? Are there any other sources that say that Miss Universe is the largest pageant in the world in terms of coverage or audience? --GRuban (talk) 20:56, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I was hoping for to join this discussion as their claims were never sourced, but the source that they deleted was. A shame. Anyway, New Frame seems like a reliable source. Their about page shows real names and their publication is held accountable by the South African Press Council. The same figures are discussed in articles by Reuters and WSJ. Older figures present even higher numbers, as reported by The LA Times and Reuters. The specific wording on this article has actually changed over the years to adjust the number. Unfortunately, there are no reliable sources to state that Miss Universe is the most-viewed pageant in the world, because that would involve someone gathering TV ratings data from way too many countries for it to be manageable. I would in fact prefer to change the sentence to remove the superlative and call it one of the most-viewed pageants, which I would've gotten around to that first time the sentence was being edit warred; I ended up not changing the copy in case someone chimed in to this discussion. The claim that it is the most viewed pageant was added with this edit here, and includes a number that is not in the source. Regarding New Frame's article, that probably is a bit of citogenesis, yes....  Mr. Gerbear | Talk  23:25, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2021
Hosts of Miss Universe will be Olivia Culpo and Mario Lovato Rahul.singhrsr (talk) 08:51, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2021
Miss Universe was held in Hollywood, Florida NOT Miami, Florida 2601:588:4100:7300:4543:6957:6462:5388 (talk) 04:28, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2021
Miss universe 2015 is Pia Wurtzbach! Wrong name put in!

}} Gabrielgavin22 (talk) 19:20, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Wrong winner
Change miss universe 2015 back to rightful winner Pia Wurtzbach Gabrielgavin22 (talk) 19:22, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2021 (2)
37.211.87.80 (talk) 19:44, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2021
Catriona Gray represented the Philippines, not Australia in Miss Universe 2018. Moreso, the Miss Universe 2015 is Pia Wurtzbach of the Philippines, not Ariadna Gutierrez of Colombia. ToyangRomanova (talk) 13:21, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 26 December 2021
Change the country of Miss Universe 2018 from Australia to Philippines.

Change Miss Universe 2015 winner from Ariadna Gutierez of Colombia to Pia Wurtzbach of the Philippines 136.158.102.46 (talk) 13:09, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2022
In the last paragraph of the history section, there is the sentence, "Due to uncertainties related to the 2020 pageant, Harvey could not present this edition and it was presented again by Lopez, but this time accompanied by Culpo." Lopez isn't mentioned elsewhere in the article. (Charlotte Lopez is listed later as the winner of Miss Teen USA 1993, but she didn't host Miss Universe 2020.) Requested change: Rewrite to add Mario Lopez earlier in the section as co-host of Miss Universe 2007 or add Template:Non-sequitur. (Also, the space after the period of the preceding sentence is omitted.) &mdash;⁠71.105.198.152 (talk) 03:41, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * ✅ casualdejekyll  13:02, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

MISS UNIVERSE PHILIPPINES
Miss Universe 2015- PIA ALONZO WURTZBACH Miss Universe 2018- CATRIONA MAGDAYON GRAY 223.25.56.81 (talk) 14:06, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2022
Under the DIC crown section it listed Paulina Vega, Arianna Gutierrez, and Iris Mittenaire as the ones who wore the crown. Pia Wurtzbach needs to replace Ariadna in that section. 2603:9001:6602:2C00:1C5B:D9CA:D88F:2AB2 (talk) 22:49, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2022
Error - On the wearers of the DIC crown 2014-2016 (not up to 2017) three names were mentioned: Paulina Vega (2014), Ariadna Gutierrez (2015), and Iris Mittinaire (2016). Ariadna Gutierrez was only Miss Universe for 4 minutes after the crown was taken from her head and transferred to the rightful winner, Pia Alonzo Wurtzbach of the Philippines in what was the most talked-about Miss Universe edition in its history or the history of beauty pageants for that matter. Please correct this Steve Harvey-esque error, it's fake news. 112.205.94.102 (talk) 00:40, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
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"Deesset Universum"
I've never added to a Talk page before, so apologies if this is wrong in any way. Under the title "Miss Universe" on the sidebar, it lists "Deesset Universum" as the competition's Latin name. I haven't been able to find any source for this anywhere besides other wiki pages, and when searching up what "Deesset" means (the way I found out about this issue), I came to learn that it is a form of the Latin verb "desum", meaning "to miss". To me, this seems like a case of someone looking up "miss" and "universe" in Latin and combining those two words without looking any further. I'd love to be proven wrong, but again wiki pages such as this are the only source I can find on it and the use of an imperfect third person subjunctive verb form rather than an title/adjective such as "Dominula" or the like leads me to believe there's been an error along the way. Slowkimg (talk) 02:33, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Hahaga
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Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2022
Under the "quick facts" section for the Miss Universe Organization, user "Dinnerbrone" on 28 October 2022 at 14:29 removed the following information:

Creative Director: Tawn Chatchavalvong

This information is correct and was added by user "Call me PI." on 27 October 2022 at 5:12. Would appreciate if someone with editing permissions please restores the information. Source: https://www.pageantcircle.com/2022/10/jkn-acquisition-of-miss-universe-organization-officially-announced.html

Thank you in advance for your help. Christao408 (talk) 02:53, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

"Miss Universe" in September 1948?
Good day! I am currently searching for articles in newspapers that could be used as references for Miss Universe articles from the 1950s to the 1970s when I come across this article from October 20, 1947 titled: "A "Miss Universe" contest planned". It is located in an Australian online library database aggregator called Trove and it states that a Miss Universe contest is planned to be held in September 1948 with contestants from 30 countries (including the Soviet Union) already arranged to compete.

I do not know if this is worth mentioning in the article but I would like for the editors of this article to investigate or dig further about this version of Miss Universe. I do not know if this planned Miss Universe is related or has something to do with the first edition of the current Miss Universe which was held in 1952.

This is the link to the article in question: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/62919041?searchTerm=Miss%20Universe Allyriana000 (talk) 00:17, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Here's another article: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/171156669?searchTerm=Miss%20Universe Allyriana000 (talk) 00:20, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * This article is from 1950, and is said to be sponsored by Parisian newspapers: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/22908117?searchTerm=Miss%20Universe Allyriana000 (talk) 00:55, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

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age of winners
where is the age records of Miss Universe winners? like RBonnry Gabriel is now the oldest replacing Brooke Lee or who is the youngest winner? Gonei72 (talk) 17:57, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

New owner
A Man who claims to be a woman from Thailand called Chakrapong “Anne” Chakrajutathib, now owns the organisation responsible for crowning MISS Universe. Ready for the world to explode now. HE says HE wants to use it to inspire. [some content removed here] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.101.163.121 (talk) 09:55, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

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A new section for Miss Universe products
Hello! As of today, the Miss Universe Organization has launched a beverage line including flavored drinks and a natural alkaline mineral water. A skincare line is also on its way to being launched. With that in mind, should we add a seperate section for these products in this article considering that it its linked to the Miss Universe pageant? Here is a reference that could be used if ever a section regarding this matter is added:

https://www.thenationalnews.com/lifestyle/food/2023/07/17/miss-universe-launches-beverage-line-in-first-move-to-transform-the-beauty-pageant-brand/

Since the event just recently ended, more references may be added in the future. Allyriana000 (talk) 14:09, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

History of Miss Universe, Miss USA, Miss International
Hi, I just found the history of Miss Universe History:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Universe. I just want to let you know it might not be correct. Miss Universe was our Boutross registered trade mark; it was not by Pacific Mill. It was our trade mark. Dr. James Boutross, ms. Pearl Syndicate. We have hundreds of Photos demonstrating that Miss Universe, Miss USA, and Miss International were registered trademarks with our family name. We were just commenting that Wikipedia might have the wrong info. We don't care how it reads; that was our past. But someone made that up. Original files in my possession demonstrate that We were the founders of Miss Universe in Long Beach, 1953-1959 when father passed away. All crowns were our design and trademark. Our local Long Beach Library has been inquiring and trying to obtain our archives/photographs for the city. I moved next to The Breakers 12 years ago just to be next to all the history of my father—trade mark register to our last name. Dr. James J. Botross ., M.D Pearl Syndicate Trade Mark registered Miss Universe Miss USA Miss International P.S. All history and files will be for sale in the near future. For museum and history. Real fouder in Long Beach. C.A. Sincerely, James J. Boutross, JR JamesBoutross (talk) 13:54, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

1972
How come 1972’s winner is not listed. Wasn’t the winner Ms Australia? 71.65.231.103 (talk) 18:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC)