Talk:Miss Universe 2015/Archive 1

Protected edit request on 13 March 2015
See Miss World 2015 so they don't have an specific date but they can have a page why we can't start to edit this one please Unblock

Estebangrii3 (talk) 21:04, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:36, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

May 2, 2015
The limit date is today, please unblock this page for begin editing it.Cesaro2012 (talk) 13:37, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The article was removed due to Articles for deletion/Miss Universe 2015 (2nd nomination). Do have any evidence that a new version will comply to the restrictions set out in this AfD? Like a solid date, a location and reliable independent sources? The Banner talk 15:35, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * But the host city is being negotiated by the Miss Universe Organization, the most secure thing is that this event will be held in Bogotá, Colombia. And the date is between November, 2015 or January 2016. Some other pages do not have a host city or a date that they should be strong or real, and they are not even eliminated (see Miss World 2015).

Cesaro2012 (talk) 16:05, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2015
Please this page has to be done now

72.177.243.153 (talk) 15:18, 10 May 2015 (UTC) ❌ what verifiable content from reliable sources would the page contain? - Arjayay (talk) 16:16, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

As of now, the only dates we can confirm are national pageant dates. And yes, we CAN find reliable sources for those. --Snawple (talk) 20:52, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2015
112.205.215.254 (talk) 06:05, 12 August 2015 (UTC) If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ". Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 08:12, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not requested a change.

Date is confirmed
The date of Miss Universe 2015 pageant has been revealed, It Will be on December 20, 2015.I think we can open the page so we can edit It. Cesaro2012 (talk) 05:06, 9 October 2015 (UTC) Cesaro2012 (talk) 05:06, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Source? The Banner talk 17:24, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

New Source
This article about Miss Thailand Universe published by Yahoo News yesterday states that the pageant will be held in December 2015 in the United States. { [ ( jjj    1238 ) ] }   14:14, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, what we need is a source conform WP:RS that conforms the exact date. (Plus reliable sources for some other essential facts. A source for the date alone. See the discussion here: Articles for deletion/Miss Universe 2015 (2nd nomination)) The Banner talk 14:24, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Protection
I have fully protected this redirect, to keep it as a redirect until December. By December there should be lots of reliable sources to base an article on. Until then, or until a consensus develops at this talk page that it is ready to be expanded into a full article, it should remain as a redirect, per the result at Articles for deletion/Miss Universe 2015 (2nd nomination). --MelanieN (talk) 15:01, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 10 October 2015
If you grant my edit request, I promise that all information will be from reliable sources and such to end a dispute regarding the creation of this page.

ThePHPageAnalyzer (talk) 13:36, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Declined. No edit request was specified. --MelanieN (talk) 16:14, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

please, unlock this page
Other users have created another page called Miss Universe 2015-2016 because this page is locked, i don't understand why is this page locked. Please answer me. --Cesaro2012 (talk) 22:00, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Unlocked please Khryztiam87 (talk) 02:21, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Date and Host are confirmed
The 2015 Miss Universe pageant will be held on December 20, 2015 at the city of Los Ángeles in the USA. Here are some references and information, they are in spanish so you shoud transate them so you will be able to read them.    --Cesaro2012 (talk) 20:16, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I would assume that until it is actually posted on the Miss Universe website, any date or place should be regarded as unconfirmed. --MelanieN (talk) 21:18, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , Now it has been confirmed. 20 December 2015 on Las Vegas. It will air on FOX. I request that the article is unprotected.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:38, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 28 October 2015
The date and venue are officially confirmed by the organization, and there is a page, named The 64th Miss Universe Pageant, with contents about this edition. There is no reason for Miss Universe 2015 redirects on the Miss Universe page. GuglielmoMontesanti (talk) 22:20, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Any independent sources, conform WP:RS? The Banner talk 22:28, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , . Lets not nitpick here. If an article should be unprotected, it should be unprotected. Clearly two reliable sources states so, even the organization itself.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:33, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done It's now been picked up by all the major news outlets too, e.g. The Washington Post. I've unprotected the page. The 64th Miss Universe Pageant should probably be merged here, if someone wants to do the honours. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 23:45, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Clearly related sources, not independent BabbaQ! The Banner talk 00:44, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Banner, it's been confirmed by the Miss Universe Organization itself. It's clearly time for an article. I have consulted a History Merge expert on whether to try a history merge with The 64th Miss Universe Pageant, or simply G6 this article and move the other one here. --MelanieN (talk) 00:49, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps there is an official date now, that other article (64th) is nearly an advertisement with no or hardly independent sources. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 00:58, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The Miss Universe website specified the name of competition was 2015 Miss Universe Pageant from this link. So, the 64th article should merge this article, and be named Miss Universe 2015. 114.109.12.82 (talk) 03:13, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Old version of this page

 * The old deleted version of Miss Universe 2015 is now at Miss Universe 2015/version 2. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:45, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe Miss Universe 2015/version 2 should be moved to the Talk namespace, or turned into a redirect? It seems a bit odd to have it hanging around in mainspace, especially as titles in mainspace with "/" in them don't count as subpages. — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 06:58, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * See discussion at User talk:Anthony Appleyard. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:16, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Don't Add FAKE Sources
MISS UNIVERSE 2015 WIKIPEDIA Has been opened. Please be nice and authentic for giving sources. Thank You.


 * Then start with adding reliable, independent sources conform WP:RS, mr. Tenkingdoms. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 11:52, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

The lead paragraph
I have made a few changes to the lead paragraph, namely: to specify that the AXIS theater is at Planet Hollywood; to wikilink "beauty pageant"; and to identify Paulina Vega as "Miss Universe 2014". I have made these changes at least three times over the past week, most recently on October 29. The lead then looked like this: Miss Universe 2015 will be the 64th Miss Universe beauty pageant. It will be held on December 20, 2015 at The AXIS theater at the Planet Hollywood Resort & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA. Miss Universe 2014, Paulina Vega of Colombia, will crown her successor at the end of the event. This will be the first edition of the Miss Universe pageant under the new owners, WME/IMG, and will be the first aired by Fox.

However, an IP (or rather different IPs each time) keep reverting to an earlier version that does not contain those three changes. The most recent such revert was on October 31. The lead now looks like this:"Miss Universe 2015 will be the 64th Miss Universe pageant. It will be held on 20 December 2015 at The AXIS, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA. Paulina Vega of Colombia will crown her successor at the end of the event. This will be the first edition of the Miss Universe pageant under the new owners, WME/IMG and will be the first aired by Fox."

On this most recent occasion the IP also changed the date format from "December 20, 2015," which has been the date style for this article all along, to "20 December 2015". Per MOS:DATERET we are not supposed to edit war over date styles, but rather to stay with whatever style has already been established in the article.

I really don't know what to do about this. I think the version with the additional information is better - more informative and better reflective of what the sources say. But I don't want to keep edit warring about it. Most of the editing focus at this article has been on adding or vetting information about the participants, and that's appropriate, because that information keeps changing and edits are not always well sourced. It seems to me that the lead should be stable at an agreed-upon version. What do others think? --MelanieN (talk) 22:32, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I see that a) someone restored Planet Hollywood, but removed AXIS theater; I think both should be there. And b) the article is now semi-protected. I am going to restore the AXIS and the other information to the lead., and hope it becomes stable at that version. --MelanieN (talk) 16:03, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2015
Miss Bulgaria Universe has already been appointed. She is Radostina Todorova |-
 * 🇧🇬||Radostina Todorova || 20 || Vratsa

186.216.114.111 (talk) 17:04, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Already done Oripaypaykim (talk) 22:37, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2015
49.149.64.141 (talk) 10:06, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 15:21, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2015
112.196.183.115 (talk) 09:35, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. a boat  that can float!   (happy holidays)  10:29, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2015
Copypaste of entire article removed

TheWikiEditing (talk) 13:31, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

"Please don't copy the entire article into the request. If you copy the entire article into the request, you'll break navigation on the talk page, and another editor may remove your entire request." This is not a "spot the difference competition". If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ". Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 16:18, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * ❌ As it clearly states in the instructions to submit an edit request:-

International broadcasters
To my annoyance the maintenance template about the fact that the section about broadcasting is again removed.

Main reason for my annoyance is that the info stated is unreliable and puffery. For instance, not one of the television broadcaster in the Netherlands will broadcast the pageant. To put an internet-broadcaster as a television-broadcaster is rather dubious. And to mention an satellite channel for every country where it can be received is plain puffery as it is an attempt to blow up the list.

To my opinion it is not necessary to add this long list. And when it is kept, it must have reliable, independent sources conform WP:RS. Not related sources as Missology, Pageantpolis or Anglopedia nor social media as Facebook. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 11:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Personally I think international broadcasters are relevant, as long as a reliable source can be obtained. For example, here's an Australian source for its local broadcaster should anyone wish to re-add the list, in keeping with previous Miss Universe articles. -- Whats new?(talk) 02:23, 22 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Here is the most reliable source from OFFICIAL MISS UNIVERSE WEBSITE. Please somebody put international broadcasters section again, and fix wrong old information and then link this source as reference. There are so many international viewers that cannot figure out which TV station televises the Miss Universe. Not all country televise Miss Universe on FOX channel. That's why international broadcasters section is important. And I strongly believe Wikipedia should be informative for Wikipedia users. Spatronic (talk) 16:05, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, conform Wikipedia:Reliable Sources we need independent (not in any way related to the subject), reliable (no social media) prior published sources. I hope that it is clear that the "Official Miss Universe Website" is NOT an independent source. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 16:18, 22 December 2015 (UTC)


 * So why other Miss Universe edition's broadcaster wasn't deleted? Double standard? And media often published wrong information but it is OFFICIAL INFORMATION FROM OFFICIAL MISS UNIVERSE WEBSITE. HELLO? How can this is not reliable source and possibly wrong information of published sources is reliable.Spatronic (talk) 04:18, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Request
Please don't let anyone remove the "Controversy" content just above the "Results". That last paragraph is relevant with a proof. Lexarih (talk) 17:35, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The present version is indeed okay. Nicely short and properly short. But there is no need to make a ,assive fuss of a plain mistake. By no means it is a controversy. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 22:22, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Judges section restored
I have restored the judges section content, with proper verification using reliable sources (diff). It was removed with a rationale of “unsourced fancruft / WP:OR / irrelevant sections” (diff), but the content is not “fancruft”, it's certainly not original research, as evidenced by the sources added, and the content is directly relevant, significant and of importance relative to the article's topic. Sources used in the restoration include those from Manila Bulletin, Sporting News, GMA News, Entertainment Tonight, Us Weekly, The Inquisitr, Latin Times and Las Vegas Sun. North America1000 13:30, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It still is irrelevant and fancruft. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 10:42, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I have again restored the judges section (diff). It is verified by reliable sources. Wikipedia articles are based upon what reliable sources report and state, and this carries much more weight compared to subjective opinion about the content upon which its removal was based. North America1000 01:33, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Sourced by dodgy sources and still of doubtable relevance. Not everything what is sourced is also relevant. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 09:58, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Why doesn't the article mention the mistake in announcing the winner?
It was reported in every news outlet and made it the most famous Miss Universe of all time... yet there's no mention here. 2.102.185.142 (talk) 16:03, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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