Talk:Mission San Diego de Alcalá

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It appears that there is not so much confusion regarding the use and meaning of the term Basilica and how it should apply to certain Spanish settlements of the California Mission System. Basilica in its canonical sense refers specifically to a worship space ("a church of very important historical significance") which, in the case of the missions, only applies to one particular element of the outpost. Missions consisted of workshops, kitchens, dormitories, farmlands, etc. in addition to the chapel and ancillary spaces. More specifically:


 * San Diego de Alcalá refers to itself on its website as both a "Mission" and a "Basilica."
 * San Carlos Borroméo de Carmelo specifically uses the term only in reference to one of its worship spaces, and it makes a clear distinction between the "Basilica" and the "Blessed Sacrament Chapel."
 * San Francisco de Asís (Mission Dolores) does not use the term on its website, and the "Basilica" there specifically consists of an adjacent structure that was not in existence until relatively recently.
 * San Juan Capistrano maintains separate websites for the Mission and the adjacent parish church and only uses the term on the parish website. As with San Francisco de Asís, the "Basilica" there specifically consists of an adjacent structure that was not in existence until relatively recently.  Though both sites are owned by the Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles, they are legally separate entities.

According to The Catholic Encyclopedia, "…the word mission is confined to the work of bringing pagans into the Church" which is clearly not the function of these modern churches. The facilities in question were established as temporary outposts, and the four listed above received the "Basilica" designation only after they had served their original purpose and had been "resurrected" by the Catholic Church many years later—each of the articles states as much.

These are all negative POV statements.

--Lordkinbote 07:53, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Why the prehistory of the native American peoples?
This discussion has been moved to Talk:Spanish missions in California. Mdhennessey (talk) 06:03, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Rancho Period
The section covering the Rancho Period is a little unclear, and the dates may be off as well. To begin with, the U.S. had not yet "annexed" California in 1846. The Mexican-American War was still under way. The Mission website lists the date of U.S. military use as 1853-1858. The article relies heavily on Engelhardt. I don't have his book handy, so I'm wondering if anyone can double check the dates reflected in there. I'd like to get the info right before editing it. Any input appreciated. --Anietor (talk) 03:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Various church buildings
I note from the article that this is the fourth church at this site. It would be interesting to see a history of the various buildings that have stood there. Thanks! --MelanieN (talk) 18:40, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

I hope somebody will take the time to detail the histories of the various permanent buildings of the missions in their various locations. These are what the visitor sees today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.111.238.49 (talk) 19:51, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Editorial bias/POV
The historical section of the article contains considerable and possible offensive editorial bias toward American Indians/Native Americans. They are largely portrayed as antagonists who worked to disrupt the mission, doing little to account for their perspective, that is, people defending their land from foreign invaders. The description of their attitude toward labour and available technology is also offensive. For example, "the illustration depicts the brutal death... At the hands of angry natives..." smacks of imperialism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.191.176.146 (talk) 06:56, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

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