Talk:Missionary position/Votes on inclusion as missionary

Please vote on whether you think these count as missionary and/or whether they merit inclusion in the article and if so, whether you think they are a subset of another position or can stand on their own.

Anal sex
(see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Missionary_position&oldid=183316461 )
 * Exclude In my opinion, doesn't count as missionary. I always thought of missionary as a position in which the man lies on top of the woman face-to-face and thrusts his penis into her vagina. Sarsaparilla (talk) 20:06, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No need to mention. The missionary position describes the placements of partners- it doesn't necessarily specify the type of penetration.-Wafulz (talk) 20:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Although sometimes missionary "accidentally" turns into anal sex. Sarsaparilla (talk) 21:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Side entry
(see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Missionary_position&oldid=183316461 )
 * Exclude Doesn't count as missionary because missionary involves the man on top of the woman. Sarsaparilla (talk) 20:02, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Using a raised surface
(see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Missionary_position&oldid=183316461 )
 * Exclude I thought missionary involves laying on top of the woman? Sarsaparilla (talk) 20:02, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The Anvil
(see http://sextex.hit.bg/pozi.htm )
 * Include Clearly a missionary variant. Sarsaparilla (talk) 19:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The Plough
(see http://sextex.hit.bg/pozi.htm )
 * Include Clearly a missionary variant. Sarsaparilla (talk) 19:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The Union of the Tiger
(see http://sextex.hit.bg/pozi.htm )
 * Comment Looks like missionary to me, but is this just another name for legs up? Sarsaparilla (talk) 19:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The Union of the Cat
(see http://sextex.hit.bg/pozi.htm )
 * Exclude This doesn't look like missionary to me since they're on their side. Sarsaparilla (talk) 19:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The Indra Position
(see see http://sextex.hit.bg/pozi.htm )
 * Weak exclude Looks almost like a combination of the Plough and the Grip. But he's kneeling; I'm not so sure what I think of these kneeling positions; does that really count as missionary since they're not face to face to the extent that they can do the usual kissing and stuff? Sarsaparilla (talk) 19:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The Union of the Octopus
(see http://sextex.hit.bg/pozi.htm )
 * Neutral Too close to call. Sarsaparilla (talk) 19:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * My guess is yes. It looks like a "man-kneeling" variation on the missionary position. John Carter (talk) 20:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The Union of the Oyster
(see http://sextex.hit.bg/pozi.htm )
 * Weak exclude See my comments at Indra above. Sarsaparilla (talk) 19:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Depending on the exact definition of "missionary position", my guess is yes. It would really help if we had a clear and specific definition of that term, though.

The Dance of the Missionary
(see http://sextex.hit.bg/pozi.htm )
 * Include Obviously a missionary variant. The name says it all. Sarsaparilla (talk) 19:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The Posture of the Moon
(see http://sextex.hit.bg/pozi.htm )
 * Neutral Hard to say. Sarsaparilla (talk) 19:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I would guess no. Neither party is "on top" of the other. John Carter (talk) 20:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The Fruit Tree Position
(see http://sextex.hit.bg/pozi.htm )
 * Weak exclude See my objections above for Indra. Sarsaparilla (talk) 19:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The Posture of the Stem
(see http://sextex.hit.bg/pozi.htm )
 * Weak exclude Kinda similar to the Anvil and/or Legs Up, but he's kneeling; see Indra above.
 * Dependent on "man-kneeling" qualifies - my guess would be yes, depending on final definition. John Carter (talk) 20:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The Posture of the Reed
(see http://sextex.hit.bg/pozi.htm )
 * Weak exclude This looks like one I've seen called "The Arch". See my concerns at Indra above. Sarsaparilla (talk) 19:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The Bamboo Position
(see http://sextex.hit.bg/pozi.htm )
 * Weak include Looks like a variant of legs up, except this is with only one leg up. I suppose that could be a missionary position. Sarsaparilla (talk) 19:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The Lotus Position
(see http://sextex.hit.bg/pozi.htm )
 * Weak exclude This doesn't look like any lotus position I've ever seen. I guess Lotus is its own set of positions which involve the legs bent in that way. Sarsaparilla (talk) 19:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If we were to want to specificy a different name for "bent-leg" positions, OK. Otherwise, not at all sure. John Carter (talk) 20:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Butterfly Sex Position
(see http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/lacru/rama3.html )
 * Exclude Is this that much different than standing positions? See my objections to "using a raised surface," above. Sarsaparilla (talk) 20:12, 10 January 2008 (UTC)