Talk:Missouri Western Griffons

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 11:49, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Missouri Western State Griffons → Missouri Western Griffons – WP:COMMONNAME applies, since the school uses "Missouri Western" (without "State") for athletics branding. See this box score and the first sentence here. Arbor to SJ (talk) 07:13, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Support - I support the move. This is like the Missouri Southern Lions article and others, where the Wikipedia article used "State" but the university doesn't.  Corkythehornetfan   Question?  14:31, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
 * See WP:NOREASON.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  00:41, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Happy? I've given a reason now.  Corkythehornetfan   Question?  02:18, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose; move to Missouri Western State University sports instead, as essentially proposed by User:Sbmeirow at the ongoing Talk:Emporia State Hornets discussion (see also Talk:Lindenwood Lions, Talk:Austin Peay State Governors and Lady Govs; the four concurrent RMs on the same issue are probably sufficient to determine consensus). Not all sports are team sports, but should be covered at this article anyway, and the team name is not independently notable, so it does not need its own article. As has been suggested at the other similar ongoing RMs, most articles of this sort need to be reorganized into an institutional sports article (WP:SUMMARY style, as this one already is, linking to specific articles on the basketball, football, baseball, etc., teams). Titles like Missouri Western State Griffons (and redir from Missouri Griffons or vice versa)should disambiguate and send readers to the proper basketball, baseball, etc., team articles.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  00:01, 25 August 2014 (UTC) PS: Missouri Western State University atheletics could work, too, but people will argue that that should be limited to track-and-field sports, and regardless it would relegate non-team and intramural sports to some other article, which is not necessarily desirable. Dropping "University" could happen, but doesn't serve any purpose other than brevity and may be confusing to some who are not familiar with US collegiate sports.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  00:41, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - The consensus naming pattern for American college sports articles is well established across the WikiProjects for college football, college basketball and college baseball, and all of the other college sports follow the same patterns. It is composed of the university or college's short name (e.g., "Florida State University" becomes "Florida State") which is added to the team's mascot (e.g., "Seminoles") for a complete team name ("Florida State Seminoles"),  The only variations on this naming pattern are those in which a minority of women's teams still retain some formulation of "Lady ____" in their official team names.  These are not only the consensus naming conventions on Wikipedia, but they track the official names of the teams as well as the majority practice in the mainstream sports media.  Anyone wanting to change the Wikipedia college sports naming conventions to something different needs to explain why we should abandon best practice under the Wikipedia article naming guidelines, including WP:COMMONNAME.  When established consensus, the official name and the common name are all in agreement, there's really not much to discuss.  Bottom line: SMcCandlish's proposal above demonstrates unfamiliarity with these conventions, and should be rejected.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:19, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * A quick review of the Missouri Western Athletic Department's official website, GoGriffons.com, confirms that the university does refer to its sports team as the "Missouri Western Griffons," not the "Missouri Western State Griffons." A simple Google search for "Missouri Western Griffons" produces over 52,000 hits; a search for "Missouri Western State Griffons" produces over 3,500,000 hits, setting up a potential conflict between the university's official name for its sports teams and the common name per WP:COMMONNAME.  Note that this latter result is somewhat skewed by the presence of numerous Wikipedia mirror articles titled "Missouri Western State Griffons."  The university's hometown newspaper, the St. Joseph News-Press, consistently refers to the university's sports teams as the "Missouri Western Griffons," following the university's own current usage.  It may be that the Google search simply reflects the sum total of past usage and not current usage.  In all events, the proper choice of titles for this main sports program article is between "Missouri Western Griffons" and "Missouri Western State Griffons," and not some entirely new article naming system for American college sports teams as proposed by SMcCandlish above.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:50, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Support requested name change but wholly reject SMcCandlish's proposal. The evidence for moving Missouri Western State Griffons to Missouri Western Griffons is there for me to support that request. However, SMcC's proposal of changing literally tens of thousands of article names, navbox names, and category names to "Foo University sports" is off-base and ridiculous, frankly speaking. Quite literally 98%+ of media outlets refer to United States college sports teams, i.e. WP:COMMONNAME, to "Foo Nickname." Also, it seems as if SMcC is attempting to (wrongfully) standardize all college sports names so that he doesn't have to be bothered participating in more consensus-reaching discussions on specific schools whose nickname might be different by gender – it's as if the proposal is "I'm personally tired of participating in these (very few) case-by-case discussions and so, to save myself trouble in the future, I'm going to attempt to unilaterally screw over broad-reaching and historical consensus of these naming conventions." There has never been something on Wikipedia I've ever been more opposed to in my ~8 years as an active editor than this nonsense. Strongest oppose possible to that. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:01, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Support move to Missouri Western Griffons and also add the recently created stub Missouri Western State Griffons football to be moved if this article is moved. UCO2009bluejay (talk) 23:05, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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