Talk:Missouri wine

Assessment comment
Substituted at 00:12, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 7 external links on Missouri wine. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://archive.is/20120802084243/http://www.extension.org/pages/University_of_Missouri_Opens_Experimental_Winery to http://www.extension.org/pages/University_of_Missouri_Opens_Experimental_Winery
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20091110130950/http://www.winery-explorer.com/missouri-wineries.html to http://www.winery-explorer.com/missouri-wineries.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120309063107/http://www.missouriwine.org/wine-a-wineries/trails to http://www.missouriwine.org/wine-a-wineries/trails
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090116204915/http://www.missouriwine.org/about/timeline.htm to http://www.missouriwine.org/about/timeline.htm
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100530053849/https://ws.missouristate.edu/mtngrvcellars/ to https://ws.missouristate.edu/mtngrvcellars/
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120511173815/http://iccve.missouri.edu/about/ to http://iccve.missouri.edu/about/
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090421155438/http://www.showmewine.org/ to http://www.showmewine.org/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 05:41, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Proposed merge of List of wineries in Missouri into Missouri wine
Wikipedia is not a WP:DIRECTORY of non-notable local businesses. Per Articles for deletion/List of wineries in Ohio this is better merged to the main article with only notable locations. Reywas92Talk 17:43, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Correct problems, don't merge
The problem is not that these lists should not exist, but rather than they should not link to the winery websites and should instead have third-party references. Take List of wineries in New Mexico as an example. Every winery without an article has a citation to a newspaper review of a wine or the winery. This is sufficient to establish notability in a list, they don't have to be notable enough for a standalone article to be included in the list. This was established in the AfD discussion for that list.

Note, I personally don't like the table format for this, in a strange way it actually encourages expansion. Better to break the list into recognized subregions within the state. Skyerise (talk) 17:41, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * The notable topic is Missouri wine, and significant wineries should be discussed there. Wikipedia does not need to list the names of non-notable local businesses even if they're listed in a guide or directory of wineries in the region. Reywas92Talk 23:22, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * If they are sourced, they are notable enough to be listed. This is a standard criteria for list articles. Skyerise (talk) 23:50, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This is not true. One could just as easily source a list of restaurants or any list of other local businesses, but that does not mean we have to include the names of non-notable ones without articles. If these are sourced to this directory advertising the state's winemaking companies, that should just be directly linked from Missouri wine. Reywas92Talk 17:55, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't think that this meets WP:NLIST, so I'd be fine to merge the two articles and carry over only the significant wineries. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 06:00, 8 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I disagree. I've just added two books about Missouri wineries to the further reading section. Wineries in Missouri is definitely a notable topic and is covered as such. Skyerise (talk) 17:46, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This still doesn't mean we need separate articles, one about the wine and one listing non-notable places that make it. Reywas92Talk 17:55, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Don’t merge I see a number of other state winery list. This should be dealt with as a topic instead of singling this one out individually. I think the sourcing problem can be easily corrected. Grey Wanderer (talk) 19:59, 8 November 2021 (UTC)


 * oppose the list and article should be seperate, it's better and more fluid. It is common to have a seperate list article for ease of reading, research, etc.  The list meets WP:LISTN requirements and there is no need to merge.  In addition, I'm not a fan of WP:FORUMSHOPPING (Wikipedia Policy) and trying to merge/delete/whatever all at the same time.  See Articles for deletion/List of wineries in Missouri.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:00, 15 November 2021 (UTC)