Talk:Mister Magoo's Christmas Carol

Point of view
This article does not conform to the POV standards. Can a contributor please fix this? --Iriseyes 02:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Is this still a problem? If so, please give some examples... 69.87.200.127 19:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Title of special
Despite the cover of the DVD, the on-screen title of this 1962 television special is Mister Magoo's Christmas Carol, not Mr. Magoo's Christmas Carol. — Walloon 23:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

A favorite
This was a favorite growing up, and I'm gratified to see that it is included here. Hope to find appropriate ways to help improve it. 69.87.194.147 16:59, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Lyrics
It was probably excessive to add the entire lyrics of Alone in the world. Just couldn't resist... I should probably move them here. Would be good if we could at least link to all the words for all the lyrics. 69.87.203.132 20:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Mavarin trimmed out the lyrics -- probably all for the best... But unfortunately the lyrics elsewhere are quite jumbled. Here is a more correct transcription: 69.87.199.186 22:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Songs
It seems clear that Bob Merrill is the main lyricist. But although he is said to have worked with Jule Styne, JS has no official credits for this work on imdb, so it is not clear that JS actually was involved here, or who composed these songs. 69.87.203.243 14:30, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Take a look at the Jim Hill article in the references. Merrill (the lyricist) and Styne (composer) wrote Funny Girl together.  Rumor has it that "People", the Barbara Streisand hit, was originally written for Magoo as Scrooge. Also, the credits on the video list Styne, and one of the paltry "extras" recaps his career in text. Karen | Talk | contribs 15:50, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you tell from the video if we can specifically credit Merrill as the lyricist and Styne as the composer for this work, instead of the more generic "songs by Jule Styne, Bob Merrill"? Seems odd that imdb would be wrong, doesn't that mess up their residuals?  And can you cast any light on whether June Foray was really involved, as the Ghost of Christmas Past, or otherwise? 69.87.200.127 19:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Is there any source of a list of official song titles -- or are we all ultimately making them up and passing them around? 69.87.200.127 19:39, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know that there's a source online to correct song titles for this; I imagine that whoever handles the publishing rights to the music would have that, but I have no idea who that is. (I can try to find out, though.) Let me look at my video again tonight for whether it specifically doles out the composer and lyricist credits one-to-one, but I think it does. June Foray has a little text bio - I'll doublecheck that, too. As I said, the extras aren't very complete or extensive - only about four voice actors got text bios: Backus, Amsterdam, Cassidy and Foray. As for IMDB, it's largely a wiki. Studios and entertainment people submit info, but so does the general public, and older credits tend to be fan-generated. That can make IMDB less than reliable, and certainly incomplete, especially on pre-Web productions. Karen | Talk | contribs 21:50, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh! That was easy!  Check out this link! Karen | Talk | contribs 22:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Great to have an "official" source of song names -- too bad there are no additional details about the songs.

http://www.julestyne.com/Television/Mr._Magoo's_Christmas_Carol.php The Official Jule Styne Website Television Mr. Magoo's Christmas Carol (1962) Original Air Date: December 14, 1962 Book by Barbara Chain Adapted From "A Christmas Carol" by Charles Dickens Music by Jule Styne Lyrics by Bob Merrill Music Scored and Conducted by Walter Scharf Directed by Abe Levitow Produced by Lee Orgel Executive Producer: Henry G. Saperstein

Musical Numbers: It's Great To Be Back On Broadway Ringle, Ringle Lord's Bright Blessing, The Alone In The World Winter Was Warm We're Despicable (Plunderer's March)

Cast: Mr. Magoo/Ebenezer Scrooge (voice)	Jim Backus James Brady (voice)	Morey Amsterdam Bob Cratchit (voice)	Jack Cassidy Marley's Ghost (voice)	Royal Dano Ghost Of Christmas Past (voice)	June Foray Charity Man, Fezziwig, Eyepatch Man, Tall Tophat Man	Paul Frees Tiny Tim (voice)	Joan Gardner Billings, Stage Manager, Milkman (voice)	John Hart Belle (voice)	Jane Kean Young Scrooge (voice)	Marie Matthews Mrs. Cratchit (voice)	Laura Olsher Ghost Of Christmas Present (voice)	Les Tremayne -96.237.5.134 (talk) 14:25, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Book version 1977
"SOFT COVER BOOK TITLED MISTER MAGOO'S A CHRISTMAS CAROL ORIGINAL STORY BY CHARLES DICKENS ADAPTED FROM THE CARTOON FEATURE BY HORACE J. ELIAS. DATED 1977.  BOOK HAS 64 PAGES." -96.237.5.134 (talk) 23:33, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Theatre version 1970
Text On The Poster Reads: " NOW On The Screen For The First Time! 'Mr. Magoo's Christmas Carol' 'Mr. Magoo's Little Snow White' Two Full-Length Features "

Motion Picture Double Feature in 1970!

This approx. 25 x 37" Movie Item:

MR. MAGOO'S HOLIDAY FESTIVAL! ~ U.S. RELEASE ONE-SHEET POSTER ~ UNITED PRODUCTIONS OF AMERICA / MARON FILMS, LTD. ~ 1970 "Posters for this independently-released, 'Matinee Only' film were produced in MUCH LOWER QUANTITIES than a regular big-studio movie release. This 1970 theatrical release of the TV MAGOO Christmas special (coupled with a second MAGOO TV special) appeared only this once on the big screen!" -96.237.5.134 (talk) 23:38, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Making-of book by Darrell Van Citters
http://www.mrmagooschristmascarol.com/ Mr. Magoo's Christmas Carol, the Making of the First Animated Christmas Special Hardcover: 128 pages Publisher: Oxberry Press; 1st edition (October 1, 2009) Language: English ISBN-10: 0692001557 ISBN-13: 978-0692001554 Product Dimensions: 11.2 x 8.6 x 0.8 inches The Cartoon Art Museum welcomes author Darrell Van Citters on Tuesday, December 8, 2009 from 7:30 to 9:00pm for a special presentation on the creation of Mister Magoo’s Christmas Carol, the first animated Christmas special. Van Citters will sign copies of his new book following his presentation.

panel discussion
Location: The Egyptian Theatre, 6712 Hollywood Boulevard, Hollywood, CA Date: Sunday, November 28 2010 at 2pm

Description: 1962, NBC, 52 min. The American Cinematheque invites you to join them for a screening of the first animated Christmas special...

Following the screening, a panel including animator Darrell Van Citters, author of Mr. Magoo’s Christmas Carol: The Making of the First Animated Christmas Special (Oxberry Press). Key layout artist Bob Singer, actors Marie Mathews (Young Scrooge) and Jane Kern (Belle) will examine the making of the program and its place in television history. -96.237.5.134 (talk)

Overview
I removed the claim there was a reprise of "Winter is Warm" sung by Scrooge's old flame. It was false. I saw it in the 1960's, and tape recorded it back then (reel to reel) and listened to it countless times and the scene never existed. Originally, the source for it was someone who cited it in their IMDb review, where they claim to have seen it in the seventies (after it was cut to make room for more commercials) and admitted nobody else remembers that scene! Then that citation was deleted and there was no replacement source. If someone wants to put the information back and has a legitimate source to back it up, I'll leave it alone. But it is ridiculous to put that in Wikipedia based on what is almost certainly a faulty memory. The current DVD version is fully restored and doesn't have a reprise of "Winter is Warm" because there never was one.

Patrick Stewart version
"...little or no simplification of the language to suit a younger or less literate audience living over a century later, as there is in Patrick Stewart's made-for-TV version." I've watched this (Patrick Stewart's) version many times and have never noticed the dialogue being simplified. The link in the citation doesn't even mention it. Do we really even need this line (which strikes me as unnecessarily editorial)? Tymime (talk) 21:53, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

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A slight nitpick.
As of now, the article says that Scrooge buys the Cratchit family a Christmas turkey. However, this takes place in Victorian England, where the most likely holiday bird would have been a goose. I doubt that turkeys would even have been available there and then. Alas, I don't think that it's specified anywhere just what type of fowl he bought. JDZeff (talk) 06:24, 3 July 2023 (UTC)