Talk:Mittelwerk

Merge with Dora?
Given that the plant also produced a number of other items, including aircraft and engines, Mittelwerk was only one of several users of the mine factories. However, this article is really about the mine factories, which makes it redundant with the similarly-long Mittelbau-Dora article. I think these should be combined. Maury (talk) 13:57, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

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 * to prevent any further use by the Germans. After a new entrance tunnel had been dug to former rail Tunnel A in 1995, a section of 710 m of the tunnel system was opened for visitors. Large parts of the system are flooded by ground water, while other parts have collapsed.
 * to prevent any further use by the Germans. After a new entrance tunnel had been dug to former rail Tunnel A in 1995, a section of 710 m of the tunnel system was opened for visitors. Large parts of the system are flooded by ground water, while other parts have collapsed.

After the reunification of Germany the tunnels were frequently looted by treasure seekers who gained access via the private mine in the north of the Kohnstein. Willi Kramer, a German archaeologist and scientist, who dived in the tunnel system in 1992 and 1998 estimated that 70 tons of material was stolen. Access through these entrances was not secured until 2004, when the mine went into insolvency.Sebastian Christ: Überreste eines Mordregimes Spiegel Special, 03/2006 DumZiBoT (talk) 00:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Irving's work
In the libel court case Irving himself brought, Justice Charles Gray concluded "Irving has for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence..." Richard J. Evans spent two years researching Irving's work, and concluded that "'Not one of [Irving's] books, speeches or articles, not one paragraph, not one sentence in any of them, can be taken on trust as an accurate representation of its historical subject. All of them are completely worthless as history, because Irving cannot be trusted anywhere, in any of them, to give a reliable account of what he is talking or writing about.' Richard J. Evans, Telling Lies About Hitler, Verso, 2002, pp. 257–258." What, then, would lead an editor to cite Irving's books, or conclude that they met the requirements of WP:RS? Jayjg (talk) 00:12, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Irving is dubious, certainly. His own political standpoint has been known to colour his interpretation of things. However he's still highly knowledgeable on the subject, and his recording of technical matters is generally acceptable.
 * If your changes here had replaced references, then that would have been an improvement. However you didn't do that, you simply removed all mention of Irving, and several notes on Mittelwerk sourced from Irving. There's no indication that Irving was wrong on these, biased, or that you'd looked at these issues in particular. That then left much of the article entirely unsourced. In the current climate of WP, that's just a reason for one of the innumerable teenadmins to start blanking whole sections as "unsourced".
 * Irving is less than ideal – but we need to go forwards, not backwards. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:52, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * He's not "less than ideal". He fails WP:RS, so we can't use him. Removing sources that fail WP:RS is, in fact, moving forwards. Jayjg (talk) 02:16, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

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