Talk:Mizoram/Archive 1

Propaganda POV's
This a para under "buddhist" tab of religion. ''More than 70,494 people follow Buddhism in Mizoram according to 2001 census report. The Chakmas and Tongchangya especially practice Buddhism. Approximately there are a hundred of temples known as vihara in the Pali language. Buddhism is practiced in a way to improve one's moral character.'' There are several similar traces in this article which "blatantly" mean that the religion followed the majority is the righteous one while all other's are "misguided". While religious nuts in mizoram can have there way on wikipedia but the fact is that these sentences send out the "obvious" thoughts to it's readers.
 * This new paragraph does need editing, which I will do. It would be useful to have the census figures as a reference. Are they available online?--Charles (talk) 09:57, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Please, someone add some real information!
I came to the Mizoram page hoping to find some real information about Mizoram, but found the page dominated by one paragraph about the Shinling with no indication that this might be of any real import to understanding the state. When I came to this page to see what was going on there is a discussion about the %ages of the subtribes and a spat about the seperatist flag.

While these things are all of undoubted value to the contributors will one of these, or another interested party, please add something about the history, values, government, culture etc of Mizoram, so that an outsider like me can find out real information about the state and its people.

Thankyou.

The audio clip has a very vai accent. Better to remove it... i tink


 * An IPA pronunciation would be greatly appreciated. EmersonLowry (talk) 18:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have added a new audio pronunciation. (MizoPhéng phe hlep ṭial máwi tê! 16:15, 23 June 2012 (UTC))

Help Correct the percentage of Hmar population in Mizoram
The percentage of Hmar population in Mizoram (which stands at 26%) as mentioned in this page is not correct. I hope someone will contribute to make this corrective measure. So, also the population of the Lushais. Their population is much more than 36% percent. Lushais population will be touching almost 65% of the total population.

I also agree that the information is not correct. For example, it is quite well known that the Mizo/Lushai people make up half or more of Mizoram’s population, and not 35.6% as the article states. However, I do not have the correct percentages.

It would be wrong to say that the Lushai/ Lusei (which is a tribe under Mizo. Please note all Mizos are not Lushais) make up more than half of Mizoram's population. If proper counting of the population is done based on the family/clan/sub-tribe name of each tribes (Lusei, Ralte, Lai, Paihte, Hmar) the official Census record would also be proved incorrect as well. One must note that most of the tribes in Mizoram now identify themselves as "Mizo" which makes it difficult to identify which individual belongs to which tribe. There are even complaints and rumours that certain NGOs in Mizoram manipulates the submitted electoral datas and records regarding the surnames/ tribe name.

Yes, I agree on Lushei population, it is less; but for Hmar we may put some reasonble figure not like the one right now. If this much number of people ask for Autonomous district council I don't think Mizoram can resist it ... or is it? Let's wait someone then...

Mizo's as a whole represents all the tribes of Mizoram, i don't see the need for a seperate autonomous district council for HMAR, we don't need another Nagaland here in mizoram where everyone is divided based upon their tribe. I know a lot of Hmar who identify themselves as Mizo and not Hmar, Please don't politicise HMAR for political gains.

I wonder why are people so keen about Mizo, one should not forget that the word Mizo is a generic term and its origin is highly debatable. Moreover, a careful study presents that if, the tribes which are identified as Mizos came to india in successive waves with certain lapse in time then, it is evident that Mizo is a post-Mizoram(whatever it was called when the old kukis and new kukis arrived)term.

As far as this pro-Lushei approach of arguments is concerned with regards to this discussion page and the content page, lets keep in mind that the culture, language and way of life of present Mizoram that we so proudly profess, show and write about is a soup of all the culture of the other tribes. As such, not many people will know their significance and origins. Moreover, in so strongly portraying Mizo as a tribe will result in the lost of culture. lets not deny the fact that Mizo is just a term, there is no Mizo language. Our present portrayal of lushei and everything lovely will eventually result in an irreversible lost. Let me note for an example 'Ngoteker' (also known as Ngotekherh), how many of us know to which tribe it really belongs and its significance, likewise Puonlaisen (also known as Puanchei), Hmar Am etc..etc..

With regards to population, let me note that every Lushei speaking is not necessarily a Lushei, every Hmar speaking is not necessarily a Hmar, every Paite speaking is not necessarily a Paite. If it is the population that we all are so crazy about then, on what lines will the people of Mizoram be demarcated in such a way that it provides an easy and reliable counting, language spoken or "Pahnam" (Clan and Sub-clans). Counting/ census based on "Pahnam" seems to be the brightest thin red line in order to demarcate the people for a 'Head Count'. In order to do this let us come up with all the various tribes under the word Mizo along with all their Clans and Sub-clans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lkhawzawl (talk • contribs) 08:23, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Why do you keep denying Mizo as a language? Perhaps it's not your mother tongue and you never read papers in Mizo. (MizoPhéng phe hlep ṭial máwi tê! 16:07, 25 June 2012 (UTC))

Rule for adding new site URL
Respect who were before you; do not add your site links at the top page. Add at the bottom if the site contains relevant information on Mizoram. Everyone, please remember this rule.

Shinlung
I added this new subsection based on a single source. But, it's a reliable source - the author is Reader in Modern Jewish Studies at SOAS and Director of the SOAS Centre for Jewish Studies. I feel myself that it's a bit too long - but interesting material, so I hope it can be kept. PiCo 05:35, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Certainly interesting, but deserving of its own article. Dominates this page unduly. Hornplease 18:20, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Seperatist's flag

 * I have added Pov check to the "shinlung". Also removed the 'seperatist's' flag.Bharatveer 07:16, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Pls explain here your reasons for inserting that flag in that section.Since i dont think that flag belongs to this article. I am going to remove it now. Maybe you can insert it after you create another subsection for seperatist history.Bharatveer 09:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Flag belongs to the article. Explain why you don't think so. Don't push your POV here. Btw, you have already tagged the article with POV Check. So, I don't see any problems. Reverting. Anwar 20:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

The flag does not belong to the 'facts' subsection.maybe you should add that map to another subsection that deals with seperatists history.So I am removing the flag again.

My Pov tag was for shinlung subsection. Be civil and there is no need for accusing me of pushing povs.Bharatveer 06:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it would be better if the flag was not included in the article until a proper concensus regarding the matter is reached. Anwar, please discuss your POV here before you include the flag again, and be civil -- thunderboltza.k.a.D e epu _ Joseph 06:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

It is again added by somebody else now.Bharatveer 17:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Flag must go
No, I'm afraid that the separatist flag is not appropriate to be included here - simply because including a flag, official or separatist is an indication that it represents Mizoram. This is not true here, is it? The flag must be used on an article about Mizo separatists.


 * Additionally, this flag is not of all Mizo separatists, but a particular group. What do we know if other factions accept this flag? So how is it Mizoram's flag at all? Rama&#39;s Arrow 15:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Please observe Netiquette
I'm sick and tired of guys out there who keep deleting important information that were added. And Shinlung is not a theory nor majority of us from Mizoram will neither accept it. I think this must be done by some Shinlung movement enthusiasts. Please stop it. In Mizoram page we just need to have complete information on Mizoram state and Shinlung or Sinlung can have separate page.

Why guys out there keep deleting related links from Mizoram as well? If things will continue like this, I will refer the whole page to the seniors here.

Awma Vanchhawng
I think most the Awma Vanchhawng information stated under 'Social Life' should be moved to his own Wikipedia page, and also it seems to be written too unprofessionally...who's with me? HammerInPeace 06:41, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Rih Dil
Added a few lines about Rih Dil in the lakes section. It is not in Mizoram but I feel it should be included as it has great significance in mizo history yet not found anywhere in the article(i could have missed it though). Afterall, our school books use to say "The largest lake in Mizoram is Rih Dil, it is in Burma". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Makima c (talk • contribs) 15:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:INDIA Banner/Mizoram Addition
Note: WP India Project Banner with Mizoram workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under Category:Mizoram or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate, please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article --  Amartyabag   TALK2ME  01:13, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

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Aiting is no longer the state flower of Mizoram
The new state flower of Mizoram is Senhri (Red Vanda). The source from which Aiting is mentioned as the state flower is extremely outdated. 117.248.162.102 (talk) 15:41, 27 October 2014 (UTC)Chhama

Assessment comment
Substituted at 00:14, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Why is a Hindi name given at the top of the infobox?
Mizo and English are listed to be the only official languages in the same infobox. Last edited by: (talk) 22:27, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

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