Talk:Mock trial

Versus Moot Court?
Well, it seems that not every other country in the world does mock trial, so it shouldnt be put under 'wiki-law' just because every other country of the world isnt involved with the organisation. this is the most liberal and biased site i have ever been to, i mean seriously! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pakgashrizo (talk • contribs) 02:07, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

What is the difference between trials, really? Andre 22:08, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The arguments below are nonsense. Law schools have moot court teams that compete in trial, appellate, business arbitration, brief-writing, mediation and many other areas of law. This can be verified by visiting the moot court organization websites of any American law school. That said, any broad generalization here is nonsense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.163.232.140 (talk) 02:41, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Mock Trial is most often a more team-oriented activity with working together with attorneys and witnesses, while Moot Court is more often just argumentation in front of a judge, like an appellate court. Poseidon^3 21:53, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

The difference is more contrived than real, Mock Trials are a type of Moot Court. I suggest the articles should be merged.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 18:59, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * There is a vast difference between mock trial and moot court. Moot court is simply an appellate or motions argument in front of a judge.  Mock trial is an entire trial from motions in limine to closing statements.  Ask anyone who has ever participated in these whether moot court and trial ad are the same.  70.21.106.79 (talk) 07:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

There is a huge difference between mock trial and moot court. To say that the two are the same is like saying that a trial and an appeal are the same. Mock trial is a trial and has all of the elements of a trial including Motions in Limine, opening statements, direct and cross examination and closing arguments. Moot court involves writing an appellate brief and arguing the appellate points. I guess baseball and basketball should be merged because they both use a round ball and are both a sport. Drdutko (talk) 18:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Middle School
Why isn't Middle school Mock Trial in here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wii2-13 (talk • contribs) 21:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
 * This has been added to the article (after 6 years since your suggestion) Z22 (talk) 06:25, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

NY State
New York, though it doesn't compete in the national high school Mock Trial competition, has its own intra-state competition with three attorneys and three witnesses per side. Should this get added? 68.238.86.68 02:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That's the mock trial I'm familiar with. It's probably worth mentioning. Andre (talk) 03:16, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

It definitely should be added. It is run by the New York State Bar Association. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:A0C0:E800:583E:1906:F5CA:714C (talk) 06:11, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

College Premiere Invitationals
I removed to the original list (with UCLA instead of Shucker). There have been several attempts for organizations to add their tournament as one of the "premiere" invitationals when they are in fact not. The ones listed are the generally agreed upon "best" tournaments in the country in terms of competition and organization. UCLA and Shucker are the debatable ones, I left UCLA, and someone removed Shucker a while ago, I'll keep it off. If you are going to add to this list, please justify it first, do not use this as an advertising forum. As ae side note, I am not affiliated with any of the programs listed.

If this is still in contention -- the currently recognized "Big Three" are (in order of occurrence), the Great American Mock Trial Invitational (GAMTI) hosted by the University of Virginia, Beach Party, hosted by UC Irvine, and Downtown, hosted by Empire Mock Trial (with the assistance of New York University). Empire Mock Trial is actually a high school mock trial organization that runs the national tournament at the high school level. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.121.126.178 (talk) 11:10, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Nationality
Why does this article only refer to the USA - Mock Trial exists in several different countries including Britain and Australia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hannahisapalindrome (talk • contribs) 04:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The information for UK and Australia has been added. The US competition info is now kept within the US section. Also a new section on Asia Pacific has been added. With lacking of reliable sources on the subject in other regions of the world, this is the most I can do. Please add more with reliable sources if you know some more details Z22 (talk) 06:39, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Lists of Champions should be removed
I am getting tired of looking at the various lists of tournaments and champions on this page. Should we divide those off into tournament specific pages? It doesn't seem appropriate for a general article.Mneumisi 14:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Not a bad idea. Numbersandstuff 01:44, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, the concept of a mock trial is different from these competitions. FrozenPurpleCube 16:16, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the best format might be a general article on Mock trial, and then links within the sections to tournement specifics. For example, under High School Mock Trial, you could have a list of competitions which would have thier own page. A lot of the vandalism we get on this page is all posturing by various mock trial teams or their supporters.Mneumisi 15:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I question the notability of the specific tournaments. They shouldn't be here and they shouldn't be anywhere. This page shouldn't be split, it should be merged with Moot Court. --Doug.(talk • contribs) 19:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Merger
I have proposed Merger to Moot court, please discuss at Talk:Moot court, not here. --Doug.(talk • contribs) 19:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * This has been closed on 22:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC). The decision was not to merge. Z22 (talk) 06:42, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Law School Mock Trial
Why is there so much emphasis on college and high school mock trial and one little paragraph on law school mock trial? Law school mock trial is much more prevalent and significant.

Not Representative of even all US competitions
The high school mock trial section of this article seems to be about a particular area's high school mock trial programs, rather than being representative of all competitions.

For example, in the California Mock Trial Competition (of which the county round my team is competing in) we can have a minimum of 8 students and a maximum of 20 on one team. In addition, our trials are bench trials. Re-cross is prohibited. We are evaluated on a 1-5 scale, and we also have a pretrial motion.

Also, nothing about Rules of Evidence is mentioned: in CA's competition we have substantially different Rules of Evidence than the FRE. Getmoreatp (talk) 18:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

It also focuses a lot more on high school mock than college or any other division. The little bit of information that it does provide, regarding witness selection, is actually outdated, at least as of the 2009-2010 AMTA case, State v. Owens.Athena513 (talk) 10:45, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Attorney Client Privilege?
If an attorney uses a mock trial to prepare for a real trial, are the proceedings privileged? Should this be added to the article?--Nowa (talk) 03:57, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I assume you mean a mock trial version for a case in which a real trial is still looking?? That is not something that is done. If you meant in the sense of attorneys using generic mock trials for practice - then, there is no attorney-client relations in the first place, and something that doesn't exist can't be privileged. Firejuggler86 (talk) 21:20, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Split for the US competitions
Someone proposed to split the details of US competitions into a separate article and leave the summary here under the United States section. I think we should do that. Z22 (talk) 21:23, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Support since going so far into the details of US competitions is not appropriate for an article which should cover the entire topic of mock trials; these details should be split. APerson (talk!) 01:34, 10 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Support I can split it. Tanicius (talk) 01:08, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

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Separate Collegiate Mock Trial Article?
Given that the American Mock Trial Association is its own entity and that much of the page is filled with who has won various collegiate mock trial competitions, I think it may make sense to create a separate article for college mock trial. Wikimock (talk) 15:03, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Removal of Maintenance Template
Pursuant to WP:WTRMT, I think that the criteria for removing the template at the top has been satisfied. The article clearly includes sections on Asia Pacific, Australia, Continental Europe, The United Kingdom, as well as the United States. I don't think that the Maintenance Template accusing the article of ethnocentrism is relevant anymore, and am therefore deleting it. GreatGambino (talk) 11:42, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, although the article contains significantly more under the 'United States' section, I would suggest this is because of the greater relevance that mock trials hold in the US (competitions are more prevalent, important) than any notion of national bias. GreatGambino (talk) 09:48, 10 November 2023 (UTC)