Talk:Modern gold dinar

Concerns
This ist pure - excuse the harsh word - bullshit. The Islamic Dinar ist no Buillon and this text is only a copy of the Website which sells these coins. I just wrote the text in the german wikipedia (de:Islamischer Dinar) an not one word of this here is true! Dickbauch 11:49, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * You say that not one word here is true. Are you suggesting that Islamic Dinar does not exist? I think that this article should not be speedily deleted, but cleaned up and merged with Gold dinar to produce one good article. I urge administrators not to delete this page but to request proposer of this speedy deletion to supply references which will provide this article is pure bullshit. --Dijxtra 12:42, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * If it's a copy of another website, why didn't you slap it with copyvio? I was going to make this a redirect but Google searches are inconclusive on what the correct name should be. -- nae'blis (talk) 16:48, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I propose Islamic gold dinar with redirects at Islamic dinar and Gold dinar. --Dijxtra 20:49, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I agree it smells like an ad, but it is a true product in lines with Liberty Dollar and Ithaca Hours. Could be all merged together to form one decent article (Islamic Dirham, Islamic gold dinar, and E-dinar)  Jo  e  I  08:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Gold coins that people acquire chiefly for their gold content rather than for their numismatic value (Krugerrands, etc.) are widely known as gold bullion coins. The word bullion just means the price you pay for the coin is very close to the value of the gold it contains. As to whether this is a legitimate topic, I think yes. I've been involved with the libertarian movement since the 1970s, and they've been trying to do this sort of thing for a long time (think Ron Paul). During the Reagan/Thatcher era some people within the Islamic world picked up on the idea. Since the 1990s it's been discussed at the national level in the Gulf States (UAE), Malaysia, and quite a few other places. Zyxwv99 (talk) 22:40, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

The Dinar/Dirham Exchange Rate [7:10 or 1:10]
Could the author please double-check the ibn Khaldun quote giving the 7:10 exchange rate. Philip Hitti, History of the Arabs, quotes it as 1:10 (look up dinar or dirham in the Index). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.29.253.65 (talk) 16:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

Gold Dinar
Nota Bene: there is a competing page, Gold Dinar (the capital D in "Dinar" is important as Gold dinar redirects here.). These pages ought to be merged. A third page, Dinar, covers modern currencies. Aramgar (talk) 02:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No, these cover very different things - read the articles. Johnbod (talk) 04:21, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Legal tender vs. illegal
Quote: "the state government of Kelantan allows their use in transactions while it is illegal according to the federal law"

It is true that the coins do not have legal tender status, but that does not make them "illegal".

"Legal tender" means government and other institutions are obligated by law to accept the coins/bills as payment.

Coins which are not "legal tender" may also be used as currency, but everyone is free to refuse accepting them. Brolin (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Merger or move proposal

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved (insufficient support for a merge). DrKiernan (talk) 16:38, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Islamic gold dinar → Modern revival of the gold dinar – I propose that either this page be merged into Gold Dinar, or it be renamed to something along the lines of "Modern revival of the gold dinar" (I don't know what the exact name should be). The gold dinar and the Islamic gold dinar are the same thing. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 04:18, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Modern gold dinar, which is concise and unambiguous . I don't think there's any need for a merge. --BDD (talk) 17:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm not sure about the ambiguity, since there are other modern currencies called dinar. But a hatnote can address any potential confusion. --BDD (talk) 17:50, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Modern gold dinar. Definitely don't merge. It would be too much like merging the modern state of Israel with ancient Israel. This is a modern recreation, not the original historical item. Zyxwv99 (talk) 02:46, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Modern gold dinar, and no merge. Johnbod (talk) 03:19, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't have an opinion on weather these should be merged, but I think that the gold Dinar article should be about the gold diner in general, not just it's pre-modern usage. If not merged, this page would be the main article about the modern use and revival however. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 12:12, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Support per nominator, this should have been done long ago... Constantine  ✍  16:16, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Cplakidas, Do you support the merge or the move? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk • contribs) 16:29, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant I support the move.The two subjects are sufficiently distinct to warrant this. Constantine  ✍  09:50, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Citation issues
While there aren't many citations for this article, they do seem to adhere to WP:RS. It would be helpful if someone who is uncomfortable with the article's current state could make requests or some constructive criticism of the article's current state. That way, cleaning things up and sourcing it in a better way would be easier. MezzoMezzo (talk) 11:28, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Libya
The references to Libya (6 to 8) are unsatisfactory. Ref. 6 is simply a reader's comment on an internet news story; Refs. 7 and 8 are links to the same agitprop news story on Russia Today. If this story is true, can anyone provide more trustworthy sources?

212.159.102.166 (talk) 22:34, 23 June 2014 (UTC) (KJN)


 * There aren't any trustworthy sources, because this is a practically a conspiracy theory. Even after half a decade, there is no proof whatsoever other than the shady RT clip which contains an interview with well-known conspiracy theory whacko James Thring. Since RT can not be considered a reliable and objective news source, it shouldn't be used as one for this article, especially since it's pretty obvious that it tries to divert blame for Gaddafi's overthrow by his own people away from him to the western world. Also, the biggest part of the section is attributed to an article by theeconomist.com, yet no information about what is claimed to be found there, is actually in the article. I'll remove the section, but I bet it will be reverted soon enough. 217.190.150.99 (talk) 11:19, 1 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I've added a #Libya section with three references, 1st by The Guardian, or actually an op-ed by david Swanson, 2nd by Vice Media, and the 3rd a clear case for a kill, The New American page has far-right in the lede, it can't get worse. –84.46.52.129 (talk) 23:20, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Malaysia
The article says that "In Malaysia, the state government of Kelantan allows their use in transactions while it is illegal according to federal law." Something is illegal means, use of it is prohibited by the law and will bear punishment. If anyone should say that using gold dinar is illegal, any person producing it, holding it, transporting it or using it should be punished. Does this happen? Has this been clearly mentioned in Malaysia's law?--Fahim (talk) 17:20, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

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Adam Abdullah publications
See Talk:Gold_dinar for a parallel discussion. I'm starting here by simply copying what I wrote there. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 19:38, 6 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Adam Abdullah, (2020, Apr.), "The Islamic Monetary Standard: The Dinar and Dirham", International Journal of Islamic Economics and Finance Studies, 6(1), pp.1-29

This was spammed, and looks like WP:REFSPAM.

Please review WP:COI in case it applies.

Please review WP:IS and WP:RS so we can address the quality and usefulness of the publication.

To start, who is this author? --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 19:38, 6 April 2020 (UTC)