Talk:Modzitz

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The article said that he talked about the state of Israel constantly. How? Negatively? Positively? I can't imagine he was Zionist. --Meshulam 05:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Apparently he was. Ayinyud 12:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

No, jas ve shalom. ask to the modzitzer hassid at this page http://heichalhanegina.blogspot.com/ bye

To the unsigned user: please do not delete legitimate comments left on talk pages. Ayinyud 10:25, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * He was sadly more pro-zionist than other Rebbes though - look on their website they even have zionist-amalek flags modzitz.org

Ayinyud originally posted this link, which is notable:. It does not claim that the Modzitzer Rebbe was Zionist, but the information in the article strongly implies that he was not anti-Zionist. I don't know why that's "sadly." What a Rebbe does is not for 'stam a guy' to comment on. But that's neither here nor there. Regarding the website: If I made a website www.satmar.com, it would hardly speak for Satmar Chassidus.--Meshulam 20:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Arutz 7 is hardly an impartial or disinterested source regarding anything having to do with Zionism. --Eitz Chayim 07:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * As one who is familiar with Modzitz from the "inside" I do not find anything objectionable or inaccurate in the Arutz-7 article about Modzitz. Demblin 09:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

who is the new modzitze rebbe?

I edited the page to answer your concerns above, please read it. The new Rebbe is Rebbe Chaim Shaul Taub Shlita, the oldest son of the "Nachalas Dan," the previous Rebbe. Also apppears on the main page. Demblin 19:57, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Zionist Flags on Modzitz.org- Not Representative of Judaism
After recently rediscovering some of the absolutely exquisite recordings of Modzitzer niggunim, I found modzitz.org via Google. While I was impressed with the site in general, I was most disturbed by the Zionist flags prominently featured on the homepage and I feel them to be most inappropriate. I wonder if the current Modzitzer Rebbe is aware of the site and the presence of the flags on it. With a domain like modzitz.org, it is inevetable that many people will think it is the official web site for Modzitz.

Let me take this opportunity to remind people, especially non-Jews who may come across modzitz.org or entries of this sort on Wikipedia, that Zionism is _not_ Judaism and that the _secular_ State of Israel in no way represents Judaism or Torah-True Jews. I would refer the interested reader to http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com for more information.

--Eitz Chayim 07:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Modzitz is neither Zionist nor anti-Zionist. It is aligned with Agudat Israel.

The flags that appear on the modzitz.org website were initiated by the original Webmaster of that site, the son of one of the previous Rebbes of Modzitz, who has since passed away. He used to post them only in the month of Iyar. Since his passing, his family has decided to keep the flags there year-round. Those who are less "Zionist"-oriented can find out about Modzitz at the Yahoo site listed in the links. There will be a new Modzitz website hopefully in the near future, while modzitz.org will be maintained by the family of the Webmaster for historical purposes. That said, the Modzitzer Rebbe welcomes all Jews into his Beis Medrash and at his Tish [meals around his table, shared with the Chassidim]. You will find all kinds of men's head coverings at a typical Modzitz gathering. Demblin 09:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Historical Records: Timeline of Rabbi Yechezkel Taub's Move to Kuzmir, Death Date, etc
I am in the process of looking through and analyzing some historical Polish vital records that add some information about the family. here is a somewhat rough listing of some of the family records that I came across.

There are various sources that list Rabbi Yechezkel's birth location as Płońsk. As late as 1829 he was living in Płońsk as there are birth records of the birth of 2 of his children Abram Chil on 11-Apr-1826 and Izrael Chaim on 20-May-1829, both listed as the children of Haskiel Taub and his wife Reyzel. Incidentally his age at the time varies from 50 in 1826 birth to 42 in the 1829 record. Such age swings are very common in early Polish records, but this would still place it well out of the birth year of 1755 listed in the article. This birth year would mean that he was 101 at the time of his death, somewhat unlikely. I have seen some websites list is later)

His son Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu married Malka Reybkowsko in Raciąż in 1836. It is unclear if she was born there or just resided there at the time. He was widowed and remarried to Chaja Sura Kornblit (from Warsaw) in Zwolen in 1859 and had children with her.

Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu's first son Moshe Aharon listed in the article as being born in 1837 was actually born in 1838 in Raciąż. While I did not find Polish records for the 1849 birth of his son Yisrael (the year is not indexed and records may not exist), I did find that the | modzitz.org page on Rabbi Yisrael lists his birth town as Ratcoinz, a Jewish pronunciation of Raciąż, so Shmuel Eliyahu was seemingly not in Zwolen till after 1849. Anyone have an idea when this move took place? The earliest Taub vital record I found in Zwolen was the 1858 marriage of his daughter Ryfka (born in 1841) to Majlich Goryezanski.

Moshe Aharon married Sara Miriam Tabak in Zwolen in 1859 (the same year his father remarried in Zwolen).

These records should allow something of an expansion of the sparse historical data in the article. I would appreciate if anyone can weave these facts into the article. Does anyone have any idea when Rabbi Yechezkel was actually born, and when he move to Kuzmir? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KosherJava (talk • contribs) 17:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)