Talk:Moebius (Stargate SG-1)

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So this episode in fact reveals how and why the rebellion on Earth occured. It was in fact SG-1 who started the rebellion which allowed Earth to be free of Goa'uld rule in the future.

Not quite, since this episode ended in a slightly different reality than the standard reality (Meaning that what happened here is not what actually happened in the past in previous episodes). Originally they had no involvement, in this episode they just screwed it up and then fixed their mistakes (mostly).

How many puddle-jumpers

 * There actually would not be three puddle-jumpers on Earth, even with the time travel incidents. The one which the alternate version of SG-1 used was in fact the same as the one the original SG-1 used; they mentioned it as having been found near the camera and ZPM.  (This would, by the way, be the only way they could get it, since the time-travelling puddle jumper was originally found on Maybourne's Planet, not Earth.) Then, alt-Carter mentions in the past destroying the ship to prevent any further danger to the timeline.  Thus, it is logical to assume they did do so at some point, and it thus didn't survive to the present a second time. --Idran 00:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Even with the destruction of one of the Jumpers, there should still be two Time Jumpers in present-day Earth. Walking through it, and starting in the original time-line, one was found with Maybourne. That was taken back in time and left in Ancient Egypt. That was then found in Alt-Egypt and taken back in time again, where it existed simultaneously with the first incarnation of itself. That edition was destroyed by Alt-O'Neill, Alt-Carter, Alt-Teal'c, and the first Jackson. However, that still leaves its first edition in Ancient Egypt. In five thousand years, whether that first edition is found or not, it is added by a third edition, that being the Time Jumper found with Maybourne in this new reality. Confusing, I know, since we're actually talking about the same object in all these different times, but the end result is that there are now two Jumpers on Earth, one brought back from Maybourne's planet, and the other in Egypt which was originally brought back from Maybourne's plane in the original timeline.

Did that make any sense? JBK405 05:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Some clarrification with namespaces may be useful. (geek-goddess mode on) Ok, so we have three realities: Original, Alternate, and New.  In the Orig::Universe, the Orig::{Puddle Jumper} is found on Orig::Maybourne's planet, and was then brought back to Orig::Earth.  At this point Orig::Jackson comes up with the data which say that the ZPM was in ancient Egypt, and the Orig::SG-1 crew goes back in time to get this ZPM.  At this point in the past, they jump tracks on the timeline, and everything that would have been part of the Orig::Universe, is now part of the Alt::Universe.


 * Orig::SG-1 instigates a failed rebelion, after which Orig::O'Neil, Orig::Carter, and Orig::Teal'c are all executed, but Orig::Jackson leads a later rebelion with the Alt::{local population}, but Alt::Ra takes the Alt::Stargate with him. Thus, Alt::Egypt is left with no Stargate, but the Alt::Egypt now has the Alt::ZPM (The Orig::ZPM would have been destroyed with Orig::Ra in the movie) and the Orig::{Puddle Jumper}, but as mentioned, no Stargate.  This Orig:{Puddle Jumper} now becomes part of the Alt::Universe.  At this point, Alt::SG-1 uses the Alt::{Puddle Jumper} (again, just the Orig::{Puddle Jumper} attached to the new timeline) to go to the alterned past.  When they arrive, they jump tracks on the timeline again, and everything that would have been part of the Alt::Universe is now part of the New::Universe.


 * So, after the successful rebellion, the timeline has stablized itself, and Orig::Jackson, Alt::Teal'c, Alt::O'Neill and Alt::Carter are all in the New::Universe, with the Orig::{Puddle Jumper}, the Alt::{Puddle Jumper} (which again, is in fact the Orig::{Puddle Jumper} just older), the New::ZPM (the Orig::ZPM was destroyed with Orig::Ra in the movie, and the Alt::ZPM is stuck back on Alt::Earth, since they didn't take it with them), and the New::{Puddle Jumper}, which is still on what will become New::Maybourne's planet.


 * It would be reasonable to assume that if Alt::Carter suggests that the Puddle Jumper should be destroyed, that they would destroy the "two" Puddle Jumpers that they have at their disposal (which remember, is really just the same Puddle Jumper, just caught in a paradoxical situation between two timelines), and the only Puddle Jumper left at the end of this Season should be the New::{Puddle Jumper}, which New::SG-1 got from New::Melbourne's planet, which they were going to take into the past, until they found the New::ZPM (which has not gone through any non-trivial time travel) and decided there was no reason to go into the past.


 * So, it would make sense to assume that there is still only one Puddle Jumper in the SG-1 series after this series finale, and one ZPM from the past (if they had brought the ZPM back into the past, then they would have had two ZPMs in the new universe). There would however be the remains of two O'Neills, two Carters, two Teal'cs, and one Jackson on the planet in addition to the living ones in the new universe.  Hopefully, this helps anyone who is still confused a little more.  This episode certainly takes the SG-1 universe's concept of multiple timelines, and fracturing timelines to full bear! --Puellanivis 00:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Humans/Jaffa
"**This episode references the film by showing that Ra has humans rather than standard Jaffa."

Where was that in this episode? JBK405 00:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

It probably wasn't in the episode, but it's a POV and original research made by SG-1 fans in a vain and useless attempt to connect the film and the TV series, rather then accepting the fact that the show and movie are two totally different universes. This original research statement should be removed from the article, as original research is NOT allowed on Wikipedia. I'm going to rent watch the episode first before I do anything, though. --Promus Kaa 20:02, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I already have removed it from the article, there was no source and I cut it out before I made this entry. However, since I wasn't positivie that it was wrong, I put this here just in case somebody could point out a source. Fortunately, I've since rewatched the episode and I now am positive, you see Jaffa in Ancient Egypt a whole bunch of times. JBK405 20:08, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Staffs and Zats
"*If the rebellion had a number of staffs and Zats, what happened to them."

An article page is not the place to ask questions, since there's no real way to answer the quetsion, and it's pretty much a given that people are going to lose stuff over 5,000 years. JBK405 02:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Alternate Reality at the end?
What I gathered from there fish being is Jack's pond at the end is that it was "close enough" to being no fish (which is what he said on the tape), meaning its the same reality and Jack has always had fish, just not many. Maybe its just me but does anyone else get the same idea? DK 10:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Nope, they've made it quite clear throughout the series that there are absolutely no fish in Jack's pond, and if there were even just very few fish he wouldn't have said "none" on the tape. His "close enough" is him saying that they got reality close enough to the original. JBK405 22:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * SG1-Atlantis.com credits (very bottom) Joe Mallozzi with commenting that Jack's pond did always have fish, he just never caught any. That's probably something that was stated at his blog, but I don't really care enough to go wading through there to find it. The Mink Ermine Fox 01:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It seems to me that Jack never caught any fish (though they were always in the pond), but that the final characters in the fishing scene are NOT "our" SG-1 from previous episodes. Although the timeline has been "restored" (superficially similar or identical to the old one), it's still an alternate timeline, and the resulting SG-1 are different people.. which would explain everyone's incomprehensible behavior and character changes in seasons 9 and 10. Noxic 21:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Horus Guard Helmet
The statement that "Moebius" is the only SG-1 episode to show the Horus Guard's helmet retracting is false. In the ninth episode of the second season, "Secrets," Teal'c is wearing a Horus Guard helmet that he then is shown retracting. --Promus Kaa 20:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, I corrected the entry. --Promus Kaa 23:28, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Original Airdate
Just thought I'd point this out, the Original _Worldwide_ Airdate was not those listed as the episode were broadcast earlier in Australia. Both were broadcast a couple of days apart a week before Moebius Part 1. And if your wondering why I'm bring this up, Talk:Company Man. Cherries Jubilee 05:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

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